Bots - Coulds someone clarify please?

[Antiriad]

I heard a lot of chatter about bots in the server matchups, realistic batttle, arcade battles and what not.

I always thought there were no bots in this game if you went to battle. But some people are saying there are bots and these are placed deliberately by Gaijin to make up the numbers, as opposed to hackers?

What is the truth on this topic? 4 sure some T80 BVMs move and play like AI instead of real people, but what's the deal here?

[Cha Cha Real Rough]

From what I hear, Naval has alot of bot accounts that are dumb as rocks, but I guess they somehow make profit for whoever is using them to grind SL. They're all bot tools used by players to afk farm from what I've heard.

I've heard some people say that bot-like activity happens in Air RB and Ground RB, but its near zero and I don't believe I encountered either at any time.

Naval bots are basically confirmed though, everything else depends on who you ask.

[Extreme UwU Energy]

Played a few couple of days before the boykot. Had some odd players in my match. Essentially "half" afk in the spawn. Others claim to be seeing more auto farm bot accounts running around. (Normally players too lazy to grind themselves) but yea there's also claims that Gaijin have put in extra to downplay the player walk out. Can't confirm nor deny it yet as there are not concrete evidence.

[Your_White_Knight]

Originally posted by Antiriad:

Bots - Coulds someone clarify please?

I heard a lot of chatter about bots in the server matchups, realistic batttle, arcade battles and what not.

I always thought there were no bots in this game if you went to battle. But some people are saying there are bots and these are placed deliberately by Gaijin to make up the numbers, as opposed to hackers?

What is the truth on this topic? 4 sure some T80 BVMs move and play like AI instead of real people, but what's the deal here?

I think there's bots in like Tier 1 - 2 ... but not in the higher Tiers? Or am I thinking WOT?

[Hasheiro]

Bots in navel by gaijin because no one plays naval. Other than lower tiers, you will almost never see top tier bots. It's really not an issue anyways since you get free kills.

[Canadian Guitar]

Originally posted by Antiriad:

I heard a lot of chatter about bots in the server matchups, realistic batttle, arcade battles and what not.

I always thought there were no bots in this game if you went to battle. But some people are saying there are bots and these are placed deliberately by Gaijin to make up the numbers, as opposed to hackers?

What is the truth on this topic? 4 sure some T80 BVMs move and play like AI instead of real people, but what's the deal here?

You're conflating two things.

There used to be Bots/AI in ground mode for example, but those have since been removed aside from beginning matches for new players as they acclimate to the game.

The real problem now is the seemingly, increasing amount of user bot accounts. These are accounts that are typically a singular high tier premium vehicle in a match, and in the case of ground battles, will either drive back and forth in spawn, or have a predefined path to drive to a cap and anything that knocks them off course gets them stuck.


It's embarrassing that it's become as prevalent as it is

[K-tel Records]

Goof.

[^0[.SAS.]^4HunterCat]

Fun fact: bots dont need to be in battles to change the online numbers
Oh right and chineese bots in ARB which play as a bomber, they bomb a base and fly around the map until getting shot down. Saw something like this multiple times, weird thing for sure.

[Your_White_Knight]

Originally posted by ^0.SAS.^4HunterCat:

Fun fact: bots dont need to be in battles to change the online numbers
Oh right and chineese bots in ARB which play as a bomber, they bomb a base and fly around the map until getting shot down. Saw something like this multiple times, weird thing for sure.

True... "bots" if there are any at all don't show up as players they're serverside AI and Steam counts Steam IDs as "Players in-Game" to be # of players playing...

It's also hard to define between what looks like a "bot" and people with 300+ Ping just having a bad day... the more paranoid would cry "bot" without any actual proof... and there just isn't any actual proof other then some people's claims.

[Canadian Guitar]

Originally posted by Your_White_Knight:

Originally posted by ^0.SAS.^4HunterCat:

Fun fact: bots dont need to be in battles to change the online numbers
Oh right and chineese bots in ARB which play as a bomber, they bomb a base and fly around the map until getting shot down. Saw something like this multiple times, weird thing for sure.

True... "bots" if there are any at all don't show up as players they're serverside AI and Steam counts Steam IDs as "Players in-Game" to be # of players playing...

It's also hard to define between what looks like a "bot" and people with 300+ Ping just having a bad day... the more paranoid would cry "bot" without any actual proof... and there just isn't any actual proof other then some people's claims.

You can see it from the playercard of "players" who are driving in circles at spawn, or on predefined pathways.

They will have stats in the mid to low 40% WR with team position sub 20%

[YaBoiBeanz]

Originally posted by Antiriad:

I heard a lot of chatter about bots in the server matchups, realistic batttle, arcade battles and what not.

I always thought there were no bots in this game if you went to battle. But some people are saying there are bots and these are placed deliberately by Gaijin to make up the numbers, as opposed to hackers?

What is the truth on this topic? 4 sure some T80 BVMs move and play like AI instead of real people, but what's the deal here?

There has been talk of Gaijin hiring Chinese bot farms to not only pad the numbers, but give something for the non-boycotting players to continue playing against. These bots provide dopamine rush from killing them but also contribute to the repair cost economy when they knock players out.

Anecdotally, I feel like I've seen a lot more Chinese usernames in the past week and a half that normal. They also exhibit some weird behavior that make me question if they are players or true bots. That said, I have no evidence that it's actually happening and I care very little to look because it ultimately doesn't matter to me.

[^0[.SAS.]^4HunterCat]

Originally posted by Your_White_Knight:

True... "bots" if there are any at all don't show up as players they're serverside AI and Steam counts Steam IDs as "Players in-Game" to be # of players playing...

"True" bots are fake bots, and you are right they dont count as players. But the bots people talking about are accounts someone runs script on. And they could be steam accounts or gaijin accounts runing game through launcher.

Originally posted by Your_White_Knight:

It's also hard to define between what looks like a "bot" and people with 300+ Ping just having a bad day... the more paranoid would cry "bot" without any actual proof... and there just isn't any actual proof other then some people's claims.

Thats not how you define a bot, ping has nothing to do with defining a bot. Its about their reaction(or lack of) and route they take or decisions they make. And its not hard to defy one especially when you can check their statistics as well.
Heres an example video of a guy checking naval RB and players in the match which i found on the real gaijin forums[forum.warthunder.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZXnRv9xVKo
you clearly can see some of those players having 1800~ deaths on single ship and only 300~ kills. If its not a proof then its a reason to be concerned. Post is year old but from what iv read the situation didnt change.
Now im not a naval player myself, but i saw bots in arb and i can confirm they exist there. Idk if they exist in tank battles tho, i cant confim this.

[Akazie_Christi]

Bots are always part of the system. Another game, that I will not name now, went over the edge and became a farming ground for part of the programmers and bot organizers. So far, IMHO, Warthunder has not yet. It may become worse, of course. It is just my opinion. Thank you.

[Your_White_Knight]

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

Originally posted by Your_White_Knight:

True... "bots" if there are any at all don't show up as players they're serverside AI and Steam counts Steam IDs as "Players in-Game" to be # of players playing...

It's also hard to define between what looks like a "bot" and people with 300+ Ping just having a bad day... the more paranoid would cry "bot" without any actual proof... and there just isn't any actual proof other then some people's claims.

You can see it from the playercard of "players" who are driving in circles at spawn, or on predefined pathways.

They will have stats in the mid to low 40% WR with team position sub 20%

And yet that's still not "proof"... all you described can be explained by bad Internet connection... or just bad gameplay.

So you're saying you've sat there and watched the same "player" drive the same pathway... how? Randomizing I hardly ever see the same player twice in hours of play... much less follow them around to see they go the same way each time on "a" map... just the randomness of players and maps one would have to find the same player to watch them go the same way... those odds are not believable but again.. you have proof? Video? show it.

I don't even with "going in circles at spawn"... to what ends? What would Gaijian gain by putting "bots" in a game just so they go around in circles at spawn?
Not to mention that you just said they go on predefined pathways... so Gaijian predefined the "bots" pathway as a circle in spawn?... non of that is making sense.

On the other hand... if someone with terrible connection started in a direction and then lost connection the server's last commands to that tank would be what it keeps doing until it gets a different direction command... ( not to mention I'm pretty sure there's TONS of players here who only play the same tank on the same map going the same path... because they can't think outside the box and that's all they want or even can do ) I've seen players bumping up against rocks and other things... I'll admit I first thought they might be bots too, but after thinking about it the more likely is some poor soul sitting at a monitor with "lost connection" blinking at them while they know their tank is vulnerable and there's nothing to do about it but hope for the connection to come back.

Those same players would have terrible stats as well... being that they couldn't move, aim, fire without packet loss or lag because of the terrible connection....

I hate to break it to some here... terrible Internet connection and potato computers are more prevalent then some think... just because you have a great upload/download speed and a newer computer doesn't mean we all do, nor that we're "bots" because we still want to play the game -20 FPS and lowest graphical settings be damned.

Heck I'm a potato player myself... my WR is probably 40%... some days I have 4/3, 0/3, 1/3, 0/3, 5/2 games in a row. I might be "a bot" but I'm not "THE bot" because I like playing and not caring about my WR

Just a thought...

[Canadian Guitar]

Originally posted by Your_White_Knight:

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

You can see it from the playercard of "players" who are driving in circles at spawn, or on predefined pathways.

They will have stats in the mid to low 40% WR with team position sub 20%

And yet that's still not "proof"... all you described can be explained by bad Internet connection... or just bad gameplay.

So you're saying you've sat there and watched the same "player" drive the same pathway... how? Randomizing I hardly ever see the same player twice in hours of play... much less follow them around to see they go the same way each time on "a" map... just the randomness of players and maps one would have to find the same player to watch them go the same way... those odds are not believable but again.. you have proof? Video? show it.

I don't even with "going in circles at spawn"... to what ends? What would Gaijian gain by putting "bots" in a game just so they go around in circles at spawn?
Not to mention that you just said they go on predefined pathways... so Gaijian predefined the "bots" pathway as a circle in spawn?... non of that is making sense.

On the other hand... if someone with terrible connection started in a direction and then lost connection the server's last commands to that tank would be what it keeps doing until it gets a different direction command... ( not to mention I'm pretty sure there's TONS of players here who only play the same tank on the same map going the same path... because they can't think outside the box and that's all they want or even can do ) I've seen players bumping up against rocks and other things... I'll admit I first thought they might be bots too, but after thinking about it the more likely is some poor soul sitting at a monitor with "lost connection" blinking at them while they know their tank is vulnerable and there's nothing to do about it but hope for the connection to come back.

Those same players would have terrible stats as well... being that they couldn't move, aim, fire without packet loss or lag because of the terrible connection....

I hate to break it to some here... terrible Internet connection and potato computers are more prevalent then some think... just because you have a great upload/download speed and a newer computer doesn't mean we all do, nor that we're "bots" because we still want to play the game -20 FPS and lowest graphical settings be damned.

Heck I'm a potato player myself... my WR is probably 40%... some days I have 4/3, 0/3, 1/3, 0/3, 5/2 games in a row. I might be "a bot" but I'm not "THE bot" because I like playing and not caring about my WR

Just a thought...

While on a small scale, yes, the stats aren't indictive, but over thousands of battles, average .1 kills per game or less along with that. Those are bots. I've seen the same accounts in the same matches doing the same thing.

I'm not sure why you think I'm saying Gaijin is putting bots in the game.

[Your_White_Knight]

Originally posted by ^0.SAS.^4HunterCat:

Originally posted by Your_White_Knight:

True... "bots" if there are any at all don't show up as players they're serverside AI and Steam counts Steam IDs as "Players in-Game" to be # of players playing...

"True" bots are fake bots, and you are right they dont count as players. But the bots people talking about are accounts someone runs script on. And they could be steam accounts or gaijin accounts runing game through launcher.

Originally posted by Your_White_Knight:

It's also hard to define between what looks like a "bot" and people with 300+ Ping just having a bad day... the more paranoid would cry "bot" without any actual proof... and there just isn't any actual proof other then some people's claims.

Thats not how you define a bot, ping has nothing to do with defining a bot. Its about their reaction(or lack of) and route they take or decisions they make. And its not hard to defy one especially when you can check their statistics as well.
Heres an example video of a guy checking naval RB and players in the match which i found on the real gaijin forums[forum.warthunder.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZXnRv9xVKo
you clearly can see some of those players having 1800~ deaths on single ship and only 300~ kills. If its not a proof then its a reason to be concerned. Post is year old but from what iv read the situation didnt change.
Now im not a naval player myself, but i saw bots in arb and i can confirm they exist there. Idk if they exist in tank battles tho, i cant confim this.

I just explained in the above post about my thoughts on it... and stick by them...

I don't know about ships... I will say this though, ships came late to the War Thunder game... and there's Steal Ocean and World of Warships.

If there's "bots" in War Thunder's ship part... I wouldn't be surprised at the few real players.

Just quickly TL;DR the video.... the YouTuber claims 400 loses and 200 wins a "bot" sorry... that's an average player, not a bot. Some people just are too narcissistic about their playing skills... some of us just aren't that good, we still have fun, but not a "bot"