DLC is like 59.99 each???

[Littlefatcat]

And y'all are okay with that? No wonder gaming sucks nowadays.

[Commander359]

No, the OP pretty much had it right. Just because a company CAN charge outrageous prices for their items and services doesnt mean the SHOULD. The only reason geijin hasnt collapsed is because there is no competitor to them aside from world of tanks, and both games are equally disgusting. That is the problem with monopolization. It is not that people are WILLING to pay that much, its that they have no other choice but to pay that much. Especially when Geijin repeatedly nerfs the silver earnings of non-premium vehicles and accounts to make it unrealistic to play free. I mean, what else are they supposed to do? Just NOT play video games at all?

Also, Venom Thanos is correct. If your spending a month of your time grinding the event tanks, then your are paying purely by the time you've wasted in hours. Geijin is a prime example of how corrupt and manipulative the gaming industry is, and how badly it is in need of regulation.

[Commander359]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Originally posted by Venom Thanos:

You already paid it with your time, I heard that the IS-7 crafting takes a month, if you are living in a first world country one month time you could have make more than $2000.

i did exactly one event years ago and it certainly wasnt that bad (was long before the is7), more or less got most of the way with my regular play back then, havent done one since but off the back of that single coupon i am now sitting on a stockpile of (off the top of my head) more than 15 prizes currently because i keep selling each for significantly more than i bought it for and multiplying my money

why pay with my time and money when i can let others do it all for me, just because it is a game doesnt mean you cant play the market, if people want to buy an event vehicle off me for over $100 thats their choice to make and i can buy multiple newer event vehicles for that.

its not even hard but despite me making no secret of how it works and explaining for years on these discussions there dont actually seem to be many of us doing it.

Also, the average player shouldnt need a PHd in economics to play a video game. And this argument objectively hurts the playerbase by attempting to justify a business practice that is both elitist and anti-consumer. So forgive me when I say that I dont agree with you or support your arguments against littlefatcat as it directly impacts my enjoyment of the game and the enjoyment of a statistically larger portion of the community that cannot afford to spend their money on a game that is actively exploiting them.

[LunaStellae]

Originally posted by Littlefatcat:

And y'all are okay with that? No wonder gaming sucks nowadays.

Not we all, but some people accept it and spend ton of money meaning devs don't need to do anything about it... if enough people stop accepting this and spending money on this devs wouldn't do that.

Originally posted by Commander359:

No, the OP pretty much had it right. Just because a company CAN charge outrageous prices for their items and services doesnt mean the SHOULD. The only reason geijin hasnt collapsed is because there is no competitor to them aside from world of tanks, and both games are equally disgusting. That is the problem with monopolization. It is not that people are WILLING to pay that much, its that they have no other choice but to pay that much. Especially when Geijin repeatedly nerfs the silver earnings of non-premium vehicles and accounts to make it unrealistic to play free. I mean, what else are they supposed to do? Just NOT play video games at all?

Also, Venom Thanos is correct. If your spending a month of your time grinding the event tanks, then your are paying purely by the time you've wasted in hours. Geijin is a prime example of how corrupt and manipulative the gaming industry is, and how badly it is in need of regulation.

Exactly, People don't spend money because they want, they spend because well you need to spend.

Argument "you don't need to spend money to get top tier its just your choice" is stupid, sure I don't need to but I don't think a lot of people have time and will to spend 10 hours daily grinding one game for 1000 hours. Oh what about playing different game? well theres nothing, the closest thing is probably Gunner Heat PC but its only about tanks and only have few of them...

[Lukaz]

War Thunder and by extent Gaijin are a very, VERY greedy company that uses 30+ predatory monetisation techniques to milk vulnerable people of their cash, they know that probably 80% of people will never buy a premium or anything, and if they do it's only a handful; they make most of their money on the 20% who are addicted and respond to the goading techniques.

[Warlock]

The high-priced vehicles are for hobbyists and enthusiasts of those specific vehicles. It's less money than a quality model kit costs these days. Personally, I'd go for the model kit before the 3D model in-game, but I'm old school like that.

I don't know why it's so offensive to some people. People spend twice that on shoes they'll almost never wear. People spend 10x that much on fast food in a year that worsens their health.

Playing games for enjoyment, spending money on things you enjoy...there are far less destructive ways to spend. What's to get offended about?

[Commander359]

Originally posted by TANDY-1000EX:

The high-priced vehicles are for hobbyists and enthusiasts of those specific vehicles. It's less money than a quality model kit costs these days. Personally, I'd go for the model kit before the 3D model in-game, but I'm old school like that.

I don't know why it's so offensive to some people. People spend twice that on shoes they'll almost never wear. People spend 10x that much on fast food in a year that worsens their health.

Playing games for enjoyment, spending money on things you enjoy...there are far less destructive ways to spend. What's to get offended about?

Because the designer shoes industry isnt poking holes in my shoes to force me to buy theirs for one. Geijin blatantly does this with their silver Nerfs

Second, because physical model has production costs, labor costs, taxes, store sales cuts, transportation costs and more, whereas 3D model vehicles only have design cost with no cost to replicate and thus no reason to overprice it.

Third. because having a vehicle being labled as "Niche" does not justify vastly overpricing it it for no other reason.

And Fourth, because I do not expect model kits or designer shoes to give another person a direct advantage against me in a competitive gaming environment.

And thats just the first four things that come to mind....

Also, its not necessarily about these items costing money per say. Its more about the sheer AMOUNT of money being asked. I doubt many people here would complain if they could buy any in-game vehicle of their choosing for between 5 and 10 dollars. Or if premium accounts were an optional way to boost their grind. But to stranglehold the community's silver earnings AND charge up to 60 dollars for a single virtual tank? That is outrageous.

[ryelanwolverine]

Originally posted by Littlefatcat:

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Are you really advocating against a free market economy, that prices of goods and services should be fixed... does it offend you more that gaijin charges that much or that it clearly doesnt bother others as much as it does you

lolll [/quo go play fortnite

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Commander359:

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

i did exactly one event years ago and it certainly wasnt that bad (was long before the is7), more or less got most of the way with my regular play back then, havent done one since but off the back of that single coupon i am now sitting on a stockpile of (off the top of my head) more than 15 prizes currently because i keep selling each for significantly more than i bought it for and multiplying my money

why pay with my time and money when i can let others do it all for me, just because it is a game doesnt mean you cant play the market, if people want to buy an event vehicle off me for over $100 thats their choice to make and i can buy multiple newer event vehicles for that.

its not even hard but despite me making no secret of how it works and explaining for years on these discussions there dont actually seem to be many of us doing it.

Also, the average player shouldnt need a PHd in economics to play a video game. And this argument objectively hurts the playerbase by attempting to justify a business practice that is both elitist and anti-consumer. So forgive me when I say that I dont agree with you or support your arguments against littlefatcat as it directly impacts my enjoyment of the game and the enjoyment of a statistically larger portion of the community that cannot afford to spend their money on a game that is actively exploiting them.

if the idea of buying low and selling high is too complex for you and you somehow feel exploited by a game you are under no obligation to pay a cent to play then i am really struggling to get my head around your problem to be honest... its not rocket surgery

you presumably manage to survive week to week in real life so budgeting yourself and not buying luxuries you cant afford shouldn't be a foreign concept. An ingame free market economy (shallow as warthunders is) is just a reflection of the market you have lived in your whole life, unless you are advocating for literal communism with government controlled price fixing free market economies are a reality you will live your entire life under. You might as well be out campaigning for government regulation of the automotive industry because we all know people overpay for Ferraris, say no to luxeries the average worker cant afford! dont make me laugh, if a company wants to make something out of reach of the average consumer that is their prerogative and noone elses place to say otherwise

if you want to see real economic warfare come join EVE online sometime where we have an honest to god free market economy with everything from raw material mining, multi stage crafting, player owned and fuelled (and destructible) manufacturing lines, final products and all the logistics of moving them where you need (along with loss on death) controlled exclusively by players from start to finish. If a player isnt making or selling it in your location its simply not obtainable. And that is honestly fantastic and playing it for more than 10 years has been an education with real world benefits. The gaijin market is a kiddie pool in all honesty

[Littlefatcat]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Originally posted by Commander359:

Also, the average player shouldnt need a PHd in economics to play a video game. And this argument objectively hurts the playerbase by attempting to justify a business practice that is both elitist and anti-consumer. So forgive me when I say that I dont agree with you or support your arguments against littlefatcat as it directly impacts my enjoyment of the game and the enjoyment of a statistically larger portion of the community that cannot afford to spend their money on a game that is actively exploiting them.

if the idea of buying low and selling high is too complex for you and you somehow feel exploited by a game you are under no obligation to pay a cent to play then i am really struggling to get my head around your problem to be honest... its not rocket surgery

you presumably manage to survive week to week in real life so budgeting yourself and not buying luxuries you cant afford shouldn't be a foreign concept. An ingame free market economy (shallow as warthunders is) is just a reflection of the market you have lived in your whole life, unless you are advocating for literal communism with government controlled price fixing free market economies are a reality you will live your entire life under. You might as well be out campaigning for government regulation of the automotive industry because we all know people overpay for Ferraris, say no to luxeries the average worker cant afford! dont make me laugh, if a company wants to make something out of reach of the average consumer that is their prerogative and noone elses place to say otherwise

if you want to see real economic warfare come join EVE online sometime where we have an honest to god free market economy with everything from raw material mining, multi stage crafting, player owned and fuelled (and destructible) manufacturing lines, final products and all the logistics of moving them where you need (along with loss on death) controlled exclusively by players from start to finish. If a player isnt making or selling it in your location its simply not obtainable. And that is honestly fantastic and playing it for more than 10 years has been an education with real world benefits. The gaijin market is a kiddie pool in all honesty

Basically this game is fortnite for rich old dudes who live in Sweden

[Ihatetrainyards]

Originally posted by Littlefatcat:

Originally posted by 『Sinner』:

Yeah, the pricing is pretty rough honestly and it works. I'll buy a vehicle if its fun, maybe I'll wait for a sale, maybe I'll buy it on release with some research. It's my money at the end of the day, and the only purchases I really regret are the Russian B25 and American BTD-1.

Still not as bad as DCS though from my understanding, you'll really lose your mind seeing their pricing. And that's just the "gaming" models, though I understand why their in-depth models are the way they are, they put a lot of work into them.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! DCS makes this game look reasonable lol

And DCS modules take YEARS to make and are actually well done.
Not to mention they have full fidelity cockpits.
Asking DCS prices for copypaste garbage is completely unreasonable.

[Ihatetrainyards]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

or you dont buy atall because its a free game and its noones fault but your own if you lack the self control to play a free game without buying every shiny they dangle in front of you

This N'Wah really gonna defend gaijoob charging 70 EVROBVX for copypaste garbo

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Ihatetrainyards:

Originally posted by Littlefatcat:

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! DCS makes this game look reasonable lol

And DCS modules take YEARS to make and are actually well done.
Not to mention they have full fidelity cockpits.
Asking DCS prices for copypaste garbage is completely unreasonable.

someone is charging more than you are willing to pay something so it obviously shouldnt exist, god forbid people should be able to name their own price for anything they produce, it goes against everything our capitalist society stands for... /sarcasm

if prices are too high for something you shouldnt buy it, simple as that. I am 100% against government telling anyone what they can and cant do and placing arbitrary values on labour, R&D, operating costs etc for a given product so it cant be sold for a cent more.

god forbid an entire company and all their operating costs and free content be subsidised by premium content, you want your taxes paying for a literal army of auditors to stand over every businesses shoulders telling them what they can and cant do? personally im not a fan of dystopia but if you and enough of your countrymen want to reform your country into a communist hellscape thats on you

[Ihatetrainyards]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Originally posted by Ihatetrainyards:

And DCS modules take YEARS to make and are actually well done.
Not to mention they have full fidelity cockpits.
Asking DCS prices for copypaste garbage is completely unreasonable.

someone is charging more than you are willing to pay something so it obviously shouldnt exist, god forbid people should be able to name their own price for anything they produce, it goes against everything our capitalist society stands for... /sarcasm

if prices are too high for something you shouldnt buy it, simple as that. I am 100% against government telling anyone what they can and cant do and placing arbitrary values on labour and costs for a given product so it cant be sold for a cent more. god forbid an entire company and all their operating costs and free content be subsidised by premium content, you want your taxes paying for a literal army of auditors to stand over every businesses shoulders telling them what they can and cant do. personally im not a fan of dystopia but if you and enough of your countrymen want to reform your country into a communist hellscape thats on you

Cool it with the antisemitic remarks, how does me complaining about gaijoob asking ludicrous prices for CTRL + V make me a judeo-bolshevik?

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Ihatetrainyards:

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

someone is charging more than you are willing to pay something so it obviously shouldnt exist, god forbid people should be able to name their own price for anything they produce, it goes against everything our capitalist society stands for... /sarcasm

if prices are too high for something you shouldnt buy it, simple as that. I am 100% against government telling anyone what they can and cant do and placing arbitrary values on labour and costs for a given product so it cant be sold for a cent more. god forbid an entire company and all their operating costs and free content be subsidised by premium content, you want your taxes paying for a literal army of auditors to stand over every businesses shoulders telling them what they can and cant do. personally im not a fan of dystopia but if you and enough of your countrymen want to reform your country into a communist hellscape thats on you

Cool it with the antisemitic remarks, how does me complaining about gaijoob asking ludicrous prices for CTRL + V make me a judeo-bolshevik?

im genuinly confused if i used any antisemitic remarks and will remove them if i did inadvertantly use any if you can point them out, i assure you it is unintended

[Ihatetrainyards]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Originally posted by Ihatetrainyards:

Cool it with the antisemitic remarks, how does me complaining about gaijoob asking ludicrous prices for CTRL + V make me a judeo-bolshevik?

im genuinly confused if i used any antisemitic remarks and will remove them if i did inadvertantly use any if you can point them out, i assure you it is unintended

T'was merely in jest, I am likewise merely confused with the weird rant about communism when I merely pointed out why Eagle Dynamics and RAZBAM are more justified in their asking price since their modules take years to make.