Controversial and Important point

[The Wang]

If you can't read this with an open mind, I suggest you do what you want but don't comment cringe, reserve comments for those who want to have an actual discussion on the topic with respect.

I had an epiphany earlier today, it started after getting home from work yesterday; I'd had a bad day, as most people have these days, I played some tarkov with a friend, opening up warthunder after he got off because the event just started and I was 0 in since I'd only just gotten on. I opened up the achievements to check the event stuff as my friend had told me about the event prior to me checking myself; I clicked through the menus, scrolling through, went back to the hanger, and closed the game. It's too mentally straining for a normal person like me who goes to work from 7-5:30, to even consider spending time on. While I was at work today, I was thinking about how drained I was the day before and realized a few things: My life sucks, I'm tired all the time, and Warthunder is headed in a terrible direction.

From the beginning of last year to now we have witnessed a dangerous change in the game that most people I think will either ignore or embrace.It has become pay to play, and the devs have been giving us less and less to enjoy; From the interesting twitch drops that used to net vehicles(even if they were copy paste) to now only decals, and Premium vehicles that were fairly balanced to now being removed and replaced with mainly pay to win vehicles and even the events, which are the most obvious as they're blatantly removing the possibility of casual players or just people with lives outside gaming getting event vehicles so they can further promote their loot crates that have a CHANCE of dropping an event vehicle. Now everyone know's they're rigged however there will still be people spending their money on them.

This tells us(The Community) exactly what their plans are; and now we are left with a choice, conform and watch a game we used to actually enjoy get worse and die, or force them to conform and fix the game. While I realize it might be unrealistic and some of you who actually read this will make fun of me for, I've spent money on the game over the years, It was always when it was unbearable to play and having a new vehicle or premium would make the game be more appealing; however that time is long gone to me. If we can unite as a community and stop buying anything on Gaijin's E-store, getting gaijin coin to buy stuff off the market(especially during an event) and if not completely stop playing the game let it sit at a low # of players; They will come out and ask us what it would take to get people back on.

Now I'd like to outline something a lot of modern gamers and consumers in general don't understand: It is a company, not a god, you have to judge if they are worth your time and money and if they aren't worth those 2 things; pick a different road and find a new hobby. In the 80's, 90's we saw companies like Sega go from Nintendo's main competition to one of its subsidiaries; being consumed is natural in business, and that is one thing they continue to fear. As development studies become more and more scarce they wonder what they have to do to keep being profitable as well as stay up and running; However in today's age we see companies who somehow lose their original playerbase as time moves on and are adopted by a lesser one that will blindly continue to play the game, regardless of whether it's actually entertaining. TV and games have hit the point where it's hard to tell, battlefield 2042 is an excellent example of what the modern consumer fails to see(It had a free beta for everyone to try, some of us knew what was coming and abstained from preordering or buying it at all) however people still bought it and cried about it after; Any retro gamer or enthusiast would tell you that never would've happened in the 90's, If a studio put out a bad game they went under, There were also demos sent to critics who had unbiased reviews to tell the consumer things to consider, and evnetually through things like gameinformer we ourselves would get early access demo discs. Now we see trailers and hundreds if not millions flood in to yell "take my money, this game looks great" not realizing these studios spend the bare minimum to make their titles now, because they're run by shrewd modern businessmen and women who need their stock price to be up and their profits as well. We see layoffs and bottom lines and ignore them. I try not to rant but warthunder has become the perfect free to play platform to expose consumer idiocracy(for lack of words that won't get this deleted). People eat it up, a good example was the german sherman pack, which sold out within 2 hours or less. A digital item in a game sold out, It was $40 or $50 I believe times 2000 units. They made at least 80,000 dollars over a reused vehicle in less than 2 hours. This is their business model, and people are continuing to buy in. People's argument is always: It's a business they have to make money. My answer as I have recently heard in one of my favorite podcasts is this: Yes however that doesn't make it okay to manipulate your playerbase or fans into continuing to fund something that causes people mental stress and not entertainment. It's quite the opposite, I am all for devs being able to make ends meet, however I am not okay with them abusing their players to increase their bottom line.

Personally I will never spend money on the game again, I continue to play with friends on custom games, or dropping in a couple matches in one of the many vehicles I earned and know well enough to have a great game with some randoms who are just trying to have a good time.

This is the end of what I have to type for everyone who is interested in giving it a read and considering for themselves; It might be poorly structured, but I'm welcome to critique and just as welcome to open discussion on the topic.

[mogami_99]

Locations of the servers for War Thunder still looking to see who actually owns them and their cost. So far a server for up to 100000 users can cost between 4 to 5 thousand per month
US West (Northern California, Oregon)
US East (Northern Virginia, Ohio)
Canada
Europe (Paris, Frankfurt, Ireland, London,
Brazil (Sao Paolo)
Australia (Sydney)
Asia (Beijing, Mumbai, Tokyo, Singapore)

[Velesianus]

Originally posted by Ansaraina:

Many accounts are holding millions of SL. I would like an option to distribute my own SL bank as rewards putting a bounty on someone on the other team(preferably without notification until the target is eliminated as to not affect gameplay. Solely a method distribute my lion banks to hopefully someone who is still trying to buy their next vehicle or modifications), A bounty on a cap with or without notification, with a player option to pick.

I'll buy everyone tanks for the next 1 minute if they die within this box of the map. To allow for SL-poor players to participate in risky gameplay.
Options to pay someone else SL repair cost. with a streamlined function for it so its not annoying to use. so that groups of friends can play together.
ON the note,
Loaning our their __ BR vehicle in a different nation and maybe also paying the repair cost as well if their SL poor.

I have been pestering the devs about EXACTLY this for years lol .

If they would let us redistribute our wealth to others then long time players with currently zero reason to have a premium account, other than cosmetics, would suddenly have a very good reason to buy one.

It would also help massively with teams that have issues with low morale or over-passivity and would likely reduce the sodium content of both forums by a considerable amount.

[mogami_99]

Have a squadron bank members can contribute to with the commander setting how much other members can draw.

[mogami_99]

Amazon servers top of the line $67 per hour. ($1608 per day) I have no idea how many of these War Thunder uses. (These are the prices for the Ohio servers)
I also don't know if they actually use the top of the line servers. Some are as low as $11 per hour

[Ansaraina]

Yet here we are. loot crate SL drains. Do you have any posts or files for your ideas Velesianus? just curious since it deals with game design and behavior modifications.
God mogami informing the masses

[The Wang]

Originally posted by archon xd:

I just wish repairs costs weren't so high in Rank IV and beyond. They change that and it's GG

Honestly I agree with that

[The Wang]

Originally posted by Velesianus:

Originally posted by Ansaraina:

Many accounts are holding millions of SL. I would like an option to distribute my own SL bank as rewards putting a bounty on someone on the other team(preferably without notification until the target is eliminated as to not affect gameplay. Solely a method distribute my lion banks to hopefully someone who is still trying to buy their next vehicle or modifications), A bounty on a cap with or without notification, with a player option to pick.

I'll buy everyone tanks for the next 1 minute if they die within this box of the map. To allow for SL-poor players to participate in risky gameplay.
Options to pay someone else SL repair cost. with a streamlined function for it so its not annoying to use. so that groups of friends can play together.
ON the note,
Loaning our their __ BR vehicle in a different nation and maybe also paying the repair cost as well if their SL poor.

I have been pestering the devs about EXACTLY this for years lol :praisesun:.

If they would let us redistribute our wealth to others then long time players with currently zero reason to have a premium account, other than cosmetics, would suddenly have a very good reason to buy one.

It would also help massively with teams that have issues with low morale or over-passivity and would likely reduce the sodium content of both forums by a considerable amount.

I love this idea

[kfpXsX7pkD7mVPQ5]

Originally posted by The Wang:

Originally posted by Velesianus:

I have been pestering the devs about EXACTLY this for years lol :praisesun:.

If they would let us redistribute our wealth to others then long time players with currently zero reason to have a premium account, other than cosmetics, would suddenly have a very good reason to buy one.

It would also help massively with teams that have issues with low morale or over-passivity and would likely reduce the sodium content of both forums by a considerable amount.

I love this idea

its a backdoor to bullying

[Ansaraina]

Elaborate kfp. Some of us seem to not mind reading paragraphs out.

[kfpXsX7pkD7mVPQ5]

Originally posted by Ansaraina:

Elaborate kfp. Some of us seem to not mind reading paragraphs out.

The suggested SL-sharing mechanism could potentially lead to exploitative behavior within squadrons. For instance, it may encourage players to force a member with a large SL bank to put up a bounty from their account for a game. In exchange for this bounty, they may offer to keep the player in the squadron, which is an unfair practice. This behavior could then become a pattern of exploitation and could be used for personal gain or punishment. Therefore, it is important to consider the potential negative consequences before implementing such a mechanism.

[✠19GaMoR83✠]

Originally posted by Lazarus:

Originally posted by The Wang:

It's sad to see man, I blame what these comparative games do to kids minds as well as the educations they receive; even I get toxic on some games. But I never go out of my way to say things like that to people I don't even know

as long as you have tons of kids on here, defending the game and willing to play along with Gaijin's rip off strategy, it will stay like this.

100%

Why, why would you as a company change a runnig system that provides you money with little to no efford? There is no reason.

So sad but true no Post will change anything ever here, as long the money flows it would be stupid of them to change anything. I don't know how old the OP is but do you think they are interested in a fun fair game (maybe in their 20s or eraly 30s) or making money to have a fun life for them and their familys? Of course its the later. The Time when games are made by gamers for being a game to enjoy are long gone. Sad but fact and not limited to WT it is a general direction of the industry (with little to no eceptions).

[The Wang]

Originally posted by kfpXsX7pkD7mVPQ5:

Originally posted by Ansaraina:

Elaborate kfp. Some of us seem to not mind reading paragraphs out.

The suggested SL-sharing mechanism could potentially lead to exploitative behavior within squadrons. For instance, it may encourage players to force a member with a large SL bank to put up a bounty from their account for a game. In exchange for this bounty, they may offer to keep the player in the squadron, which is an unfair practice. This behavior could then become a pattern of exploitation and could be used for personal gain or punishment. Therefore, it is important to consider the potential negative consequences before implementing such a mechanism.

That's extremely unrealistic for today, If someone threatened me with that, I'd just leave and find a new one. I'm in a squadron with people I met a while back and they arent like that. Most squadrons are people and their friends, but as I said before, it's pretty easy to find a new squadron if that happened. I don't know anyone who would get extorted to be in a squadron

[mogami_99]

Gaijin could solve all the disputes simply by making the game subscription. Why would they care about losing all the people who play but swear they will never give a dime to these greedy profiteers. part of the subscription could be 1000000 SL per month this would allow people to repair and buy these new things. Subscriptions could select the maps they wanted. Subscriptions could select what nations they wanted to face. The forums would still have these debates but there would be no free loaders in them, (all non subs would be banished) New people would get a free 30 day subscription

[Cortez]

You talk about mental health but how is this game ruining your (or playerbase) mental health? Isn't it your problem?

[mogami_99]

A squadron that threatens a person who is always 360 activity? That would be a squadron with 1 member