What happened to Shvaks

[Bing_Chilling]

After the sky guardian update, Shvak's he and fIt rounds produce no fragments. Before that update, the shvaks with tracer belts were awesome.

[Chaoslord 87]

Another bug perhaps?

[Mac]

The Shvak cannon really is absolutely painful to play with these days after whatever change they made to shells in general and their damage model.

I did play a bunch of games in my La's recently and it was painful just painful. If it didn't say 20 mm on the statcard I honestly would think I am firing 7 mm rounds judging from the damage (or lack thereof) that I am doing.

I hope they change it back at some point but mostly I am just trying to avoid flying any planes with Shvaks cannons these days.

Let me just say that the Shvak is by far not the only cannon that feels terribly after this update though. Some of the Japanese 20 mm HE also feel HORRENDOUS...

[Bing_Chilling]

Originally posted by Mac:

The Shvak cannon really is absolutely painful to play with these days after whatever change they made to shells in general and their damage model.

I did play a bunch of games in my La's recently and it was painful just painful. If it didn't say 20 mm on the statcard I honestly would think I am firing 7 mm rounds judging from the damage (or lack thereof) that I am doing.

I hope they change it back at some point but mostly I am just trying to avoid flying any planes with Shvaks cannons these days.

Let me just say that the Shvak is by far not the only cannon that feels terribly after this update though. Some of the Japanese 20 mm HE also feel HORRENDOUS...

Same here, the 50cals does more damage than the 20mm shvak. I need to sit behind and mag dump 50 rounds of he just for a fire.

[Emperors Champion Dragos]

Step 1: Don't use HE

[SteelWolf45]

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

Step 1: Don't use HE

Which is ironic, since HE should (or at least to my knowledge) be the plane killer.

[Bing_Chilling]

Originally posted by SteelWolf45:

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

Step 1: Don't use HE

Which is ironic, since HE should (or at least to my knowledge) be the plane killer.

yeah, he should be intended for air targets.

[Mac]

You can make a self-experiment and try out every single different available ammo belt for the Shvaks and you will notice something astonishing.

They all feel equally bad

I did actually bother to try out every single belt and I didn't notice any difference. Whether you use the "Armoured Targets" or "Ground Targets" or "Universal" or "Stealth" you will not really notice a difference. Regardless of what belt you use you will mostly need to roughly put 30-40 rounds into a really vulnerable spot, preferably directly into the cockpit to see any result at all.

Challenge yourself and randomly set an ammo belt for the Shvak and then play a match and TRY TO GUESS which ammo belt you are currently using. It is impossible.

As the other guy mentioned when I am using a .50 cal for example and I have a default belt with crappy "Ball" and "AP" I will immediately notice how bad it feels compared to a tracer belt full of API-T...

[Blamite Delight]

all 20mm autocannons feel really weak.

[DaviDovskyy]

There was an update which adds he dmg mechanic from ships so its not a bug and its ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bad.

[Mac]

The German 20 mm cannon on BF-109s with an "Air Target" belt and lots of HEI (Minengeschoss) feels quite satisfying at the moment for whatever reason.

[Vilkas]

Gosh i glad someone also noticing this issue

[Mac]

After having done some more "testing" and flying all kinds of different planes with 20 mm cannons and "HE shells" I am 99 % certain at this point that some HE shells do NOT even have a filler at all anymore. I have found one specific HEFI-T shell on a German plane that is so impotently hollow that I have literally tried to kill a single enemy 4 games in a row now and failed every time. It is literally a "blank shell" falsely designated as "HEFI-T" at the moment.

I managed to easily get over a dozen kills in each game with 7.92 mm machine guns but everytime I spawned the specific plane with the HEFI-T shell no matter how often I shot at an enemy plane all I got was "Hit" "Hit" "Hit" "Hit". No incendiary effect, no explosion no damage at all. Just smoke puffs...

The stat card of the specific HEFI-T shell also doesn't have any explosives listed unlike other comparable HEI-T or HEF-T shells that I found. Unfortunately it is only listed correctly on fully homogenous belts that only contain one type of shell so we do not know if this is also the case for the Shvak but that is my concern at the moment.

TLDR: **** is utterly broken. Half of it may be intended but the other half is legitimately bugged and broken.

Best we can do is just not fly the planes with the broken cannons at the moment cuz this will take a long time to fix probably...

Edit: Or to be more precise it is not the cannon but rather the specific HE shells for certain cannons. Some HE shells work fine, others are broken and have no filler (my guess is this is also the case for the HE shells contained in the Shvak cannons).