War Thunder

War Thunder

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Mania May 22, 2023 @ 7:55am
This game has been a money grab for a while, it's time to call it what it is.
After 1,000+ hours of this game, I can confidently say that the whole game is designed from the ground up to be a cash machine, and unless Gaijin sells the game to another studio and that studio completely rebuilds this game, that's all it'll ever be.

Let me explain. War Thunder started out as a WW1-WW2 vehicle combat simulator. Up until this recent update, voice lines for modern vehicles were WW2 era voices, the gunsights (Yes, I know custom sights exist) are WW2 styled, the campaigns and single player missions are stuck in 2015, 21st century vehicles are fighting in WW2 maps, etc.

What am I getting at here? My point is that Gaijin has been so focused on making money, that they haven't actually updated the game. Besides new graphics and vehicles, what has actually changed since 2015? We've gotten no new game modes, no new campaigns, just rinse and repeat of capturing the A point but with new vehicles that we, the players, need to shell out insane amounts of money for just to play that rinse and repeat gameplay. This is also evident in Gaijin's advertising. On the steam page, almost all the pictures are of modern, top tier vehicles, except for the Char 2C. What does that tell new players? It lures them in, once they realize the grind is impossible, they buy a premium. It's predatory. Full stop. Period.

In DCS for $70, you can get a fully realistic, fully modeled aircraft to fly that will give you hours upon hours of gametime. War Thunder has absolutely NO RIGHT to demand $70 for premium vehicles that have a lackluster amount of content in comparison to DCS.

"But DCS is a different game!" Standards. DCS set the standard for flight sim prices. Until War Thunder creates content that is more enjoyable and worth more than DCS's aircraft modules, it has no ground to charge the same/more.

So what do I want? Well ideally I'd like a casual vehicle sim, but War Thunder clearly has not been that despite what I've thought. The best course of action for me is to uninstall. This game may as well be a computer virus with the way it preys on it's players. I've never seen a game be such a fraud as War Thunder, and actually get away with it for years.

EDIT:

I've noticed all the comments in opposition have failed to address anything beyond "But they did add more content - tank and naval battles!"

Listen here, I don't mean to be rude, but how well are those gamemodes going? Do you genuinely enjoy them? Do you enjoy getting sniped by a jet 10 km away? Do you enjoy spending 14,000 SL on repair costs for a death that could've been prevented if your shell didn't ghost the opponent? Do you ACTUALLY enjoy naval battles beyond spamming the Moffet because Gaijin's sh!tty economy forced you to start swimming in the blue waters just so you can keep SL balance positive?

No, you don't, it's simple.
While we're at it, let's take a look and see what Gaijin has added in the past 10 years.

1.) Premium Sovietised M1 Abrams

2.) Premium Leopard 2A6 Reskin

3.) Premium F-4S and F-4EJ ADTW

4.) Premium MiG-21 Lazur M

5.) Premium MiG-23ML (Noticing a pattern?)

6.) Premium F-4J(UK)

7.) Top tier vehicles requiring 300,000-400,000 RP + 1,000,000-2,000,000 SL to unlock and play (If you buy any of the premiums listed above, it'll take you 2 months instead of 2 years!)
Last edited by Mania; May 22, 2023 @ 7:25pm
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PotatoScav May 22, 2023 @ 7:58am 
Im fine it being a cash grabber.
Its that they grab cash and do nothing is the problem.

Map: horrible snow and sun map
Tank: STALINIUM WE TRUST
Eco : This update breaks everything
balance : ---> also see countness balance complain and skill issue fanboy
game mode : They literally limit the only fun game mode they has just to make you think they have content

Name one thing they did that actually worth the money we spent.
Last edited by PotatoScav; May 22, 2023 @ 7:59am
Canadian Guitar May 22, 2023 @ 7:58am 
Besides new graphics and vehicles, what has actually changed since 2015? We've gotten no new game modes, no new campaigns, just rinse and repeat of capturing the A point but with new

So the addition of tanks, naval and PVE modes arent anything new? It isn't just new graphics, it's a new engine, which also changed physics as well.
PotatoScav May 22, 2023 @ 7:59am 
Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:
Besides new graphics and vehicles, what has actually changed since 2015? We've gotten no new game modes, no new campaigns, just rinse and repeat of capturing the A point but with new

So the addition of tanks, naval and PVE modes arent anything new? It isn't just new graphics, it's a new engine, which also changed physics as well.
Naval :steamhappy:

World of warship is doing aircraft carrier and even submarine

Here you are stuck with HOOD
Last edited by PotatoScav; May 22, 2023 @ 8:00am
PotatoScav May 22, 2023 @ 8:01am 
Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:
Besides new graphics and vehicles, what has actually changed since 2015? We've gotten no new game modes, no new campaigns, just rinse and repeat of capturing the A point but with new

So the addition of tanks, naval and PVE modes arent anything new? It isn't just new graphics, it's a new engine, which also changed physics as well.
"new engine"
Great new engine, massive engine, maybe they should just sell the engine instead
PotatoScav May 22, 2023 @ 8:03am 
Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:
Besides new graphics and vehicles, what has actually changed since 2015? We've gotten no new game modes, no new campaigns, just rinse and repeat of capturing the A point but with new

So the addition of tanks, naval and PVE modes arent anything new? It isn't just new graphics, it's a new engine, which also changed physics as well.
Big time a tank game make a new tank model that is copy and paste and put it to other country line. yeah whatever.
Mania May 22, 2023 @ 8:05am 
Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:
Besides new graphics and vehicles, what has actually changed since 2015? We've gotten no new game modes, no new campaigns, just rinse and repeat of capturing the A point but with new

So the addition of tanks, naval and PVE modes arent anything new? It isn't just new graphics, it's a new engine, which also changed physics as well.
Soooooo, they added more vehicles? Like I said is all they did?

Addition of tanks and naval literally is the same thing as adding new vehicles and is exactly what I said Gaijin has only done. Not to mention, naval battles and tank battles are (wait for it) the same game mode every damn match.

PvE? No one plays PvE to have fun, the only PvE I've ever played in heli PvE to make more SL. Everything you do in this game is to make SL or research new vehicles. That's it.
Last edited by Mania; May 22, 2023 @ 8:07am
Tralalero Tralala May 22, 2023 @ 8:08am 
There has been like no updated to the horrible maps this game has. Most of the maps are god awful for modern advanced vehicles. You have urban maps.. in tanks.. which I kinda like because I like brawling and then you have open maps where you can snipe to the enemy spawn the moment you spawn with laser rangefinders.

Eastern province for example, in lower tiers it is unfun to drive for 5 to 10 minutes to the battle, and in high-top tiers you can get sniped from the other spawn the moment you spawn. there is 0 cover and minimal elevation.

Sands of Sinai and Maginot line are good maps in top tier in my opinion. They have long range which are suited for tank battles, but offer cover and alot of elevation changes (well Sinai doesn’t but it has cover). For low-mid tier tho, again suffers from the 10 minute drive in your 30 kmh max speed transmission-failure tank.

They really should adress the maps as well as the economy.

In Air RB, at top tier I like EC maps, less likely to have Furballs and more BVR engagements with your BVR weapons. They shouldn’t be in subsonic or transonic jet battles with no BVR capability jets tho, again it’s a 10 minute flight and pray to god you have enough fuel to make it back to base.

EC maps should have multiple bases, or atleast add drop tanks to other planes as well, so you don’t have to bingo out when you reach your first engagement
Canadian Guitar May 22, 2023 @ 8:14am 
Originally posted by ToXiC bAnDiT mAiN:
Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

So the addition of tanks, naval and PVE modes arent anything new? It isn't just new graphics, it's a new engine, which also changed physics as well.
Soooooo, they added more vehicles? Like I said is all they did?

Addition of tanks and naval literally is the same thing as adding new vehicles and is exactly what I said Gaijin has only done. Not to mention, naval battles and tank battles are (wait for it) the same game mode every damn match.

PvE? No one plays PvE to have fun, the only PvE I've ever played in heli PvE to make more SL. Everything you do in this game is to make SL or research new vehicles. That's it.
Last I checked the tank mechanics, and naval mechanics are completely different to plane mechanics. So, no, it isn't the same as "just adding new vehicles"
shipdesignerdude May 22, 2023 @ 8:26am 
Originally posted by 秋月レン| MP40:
Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

So the addition of tanks, naval and PVE modes arent anything new? It isn't just new graphics, it's a new engine, which also changed physics as well.
Naval :steamhappy:

World of warship is doing aircraft carrier and even submarine

Here you are stuck with HOOD
When did WoWs release in comparison to WT Naval? It just means they are further down the life cycle.

Also WoWs is not a good example with how broken OP the Colussus that just got added is, and is also a premium.
shipdesignerdude May 22, 2023 @ 8:26am 
Originally posted by ToXiC bAnDiT mAiN:
Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

So the addition of tanks, naval and PVE modes arent anything new? It isn't just new graphics, it's a new engine, which also changed physics as well.
Soooooo, they added more vehicles? Like I said is all they did?

Addition of tanks and naval literally is the same thing as adding new vehicles and is exactly what I said Gaijin has only done. Not to mention, naval battles and tank battles are (wait for it) the same game mode every damn match.

PvE? No one plays PvE to have fun, the only PvE I've ever played in heli PvE to make more SL. Everything you do in this game is to make SL or research new vehicles. That's it.
They completely overhauled the naval aiming mechanics, that's a pretty big update to me atleast.
PotatoScav May 22, 2023 @ 8:29am 
Originally posted by shipdesignerdude:
Originally posted by 秋月レン| MP40:
Naval :steamhappy:

World of warship is doing aircraft carrier and even submarine

Here you are stuck with HOOD
When did WoWs release in comparison to WT Naval? It just means they are further down the life cycle.

Also WoWs is not a good example with how broken OP the Colussus that just got added is, and is also a premium.
WOWs is horrible.
But your game don't even have an OP Colussus to begin to nerf with
Thats how pathetic they are.

Also aircraft carrier and submarine ftw. Actually fun you know.
Mania May 22, 2023 @ 7:00pm 
Originally posted by shipdesignerdude:
Originally posted by ToXiC bAnDiT mAiN:
Soooooo, they added more vehicles? Like I said is all they did?

Addition of tanks and naval literally is the same thing as adding new vehicles and is exactly what I said Gaijin has only done. Not to mention, naval battles and tank battles are (wait for it) the same game mode every damn match.

PvE? No one plays PvE to have fun, the only PvE I've ever played in heli PvE to make more SL. Everything you do in this game is to make SL or research new vehicles. That's it.
They completely overhauled the naval aiming mechanics, that's a pretty big update to me atleast.
Dude you've been abused and neglected by Gaijin that simple aiming mechanics in a gamemode that's only played to farm SL because the economy is broken is a huge deal for you.

In 10+ years of constant and consistent updates, we should have a myriad of new content like I mentioned before. Not "Improved aiming mechanics"
Mania May 22, 2023 @ 7:01pm 
Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:
Originally posted by ToXiC bAnDiT mAiN:
Soooooo, they added more vehicles? Like I said is all they did?

Addition of tanks and naval literally is the same thing as adding new vehicles and is exactly what I said Gaijin has only done. Not to mention, naval battles and tank battles are (wait for it) the same game mode every damn match.

PvE? No one plays PvE to have fun, the only PvE I've ever played in heli PvE to make more SL. Everything you do in this game is to make SL or research new vehicles. That's it.
Last I checked the tank mechanics, and naval mechanics are completely different to plane mechanics. So, no, it isn't the same as "just adding new vehicles"
It 100% is.

I don't give a rats ass about the "new mechanics" because those were implemented to be able to create new vehicles which they then used to profit. If you don't believe that, explain why the USS Moffett is the best SL printer in the game, and the fact it's premium.

End of story, naval was added to add more vehicles > more vehicles to grind > more money from GE and Premium account.
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Date Posted: May 22, 2023 @ 7:55am
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