Kugelblitz....

[cracky]

how in bloody ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hell can it be 7.0 HOW???????? BTRZD is 5. something wtf

[Druckform | INSOMNIAC 3D]

because its a russian tank vs a german tank. they nerfed the kugelblitz into the ground first they take away its AP belt, then somehow halve its pen, then move it up to 7.0 so it can no longer be paired with the king tiger as a big BR for germany is 6.7.

but no a lot of russian vehicles are a full 3 br lower than what they should be, and people say they arent biased towards russia

[APhone]

How is BMP-1 7.3 and raketendegeneratepanzer is 7.7? Who knows? Echo of the war lol.

[Valerius]

I find that the kugel is definitely fine at 7.0 but i dont mind if it goes down to 6.7... I love using it at 7.3 - 8.3 because its still capable of shredding any planes and light armors in seconds plus you get two guns instead of one making leading the shots easier. The only issue lies with the vehicle is its horrendous speed so you can't really use it for flanking and capping but if you prefer speed over firepower you can always use marder or wiesel with a weaker 20mm autocannon

[shipdesignerdude]

Well for starters the Kugel is closed top, has more damang cannons and can effectively deal with ground vehicles. It is a lot harder to kill. A 7.7mm machine gun can take out the BTR.

[Bombelos]

Originally posted by cracky:

how in bloody ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hell can it be 7.0 HOW???????? BTRZD is 5. something wtf

Kugel is more than fine on 7.0 - the higher you go the more soft targets you can kill.

[Astartes Regis]

Ostwind 2 is more consistent than kugel anyway and at 7.3 a marder does SPAA role better

[cracky]

Originally posted by shipdesignerdude:

Well for starters the Kugel is closed top, has more damang cannons and can effectively deal with ground vehicles. It is a lot harder to kill. A 7.7mm machine gun can take out the BTR.

the problem is the russian zsu at 7.0 with open top but 151mm pen cannons...
and i dont mind it anymore if they put it at 6.7 so i can play it in my Königs Tiger lineup

[FD_Stalker]

They just don't want you to play Kugel and Ferdinand. Both have better option at same tier.

[shipdesignerdude]

Originally posted by cracky:

Originally posted by shipdesignerdude:

Well for starters the Kugel is closed top, has more damang cannons and can effectively deal with ground vehicles. It is a lot harder to kill. A 7.7mm machine gun can take out the BTR.

the problem is the russian zsu at 7.0 with open top but 151mm pen cannons...
and i dont mind it anymore if they put it at 6.7 so i can play it in my Königs Tiger lineup

The ZSU can also be front penned by .50 cals, and the turret traverse is pretty lackluster from what I've seen.

It's ostensibly a glass cannon, which is compounded by it not having a roof. While the guns are incredibly powerful, in every engagement you have to be the first to shoot to come out alive.

[EN]

Originally posted by cracky:

Originally posted by shipdesignerdude:

Well for starters the Kugel is closed top, has more damang cannons and can effectively deal with ground vehicles. It is a lot harder to kill. A 7.7mm machine gun can take out the BTR.

the problem is the russian zsu at 7.0 with open top but 151mm pen cannons...
and i dont mind it anymore if they put it at 6.7 so i can play it in my Königs Tiger lineup

I play the ZSU-57-2 as a light tank destroyer mostly lol. It claps annoying missile carriers and wheelies at long range, and MBTs at shorter range

[Kirb]

Originally posted by Bombelos:

Originally posted by cracky:

how in bloody ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hell can it be 7.0 HOW???????? BTRZD is 5. something wtf

Kugel is more than fine on 7.0 - the higher you go the more soft targets you can kill.

its more about the lineup germany needs a 6.0-6.7 spaa
the ostwind II kinda falls off from 6.0 and at 7.0 the wiesel just seems like the better option
i havent got as much game knowlage as some of you but here are some changes id make:

-kugelblitz should go down to 6.7 so you can make a full lineup

-bring back flakpanzer341 at 6.0 or 6.3 since it has better turret rotation, an enclosed turret
and the 3,7cm have 49mm of pen or buff the 3,7cm aphe to 55mm of pen

edit: and for the btrzd it currently sits at 5.3 it has:
980m/s velocity HEFI-T
combined firerate of 1600rpm
100 ammo 13s reload
has the best traverse speed at its br
the only downside to this tank is it has no armor but no spaa has it, the exposed gunner and the low ammo per belt
this thing is the best aa at its br and imo it should be moved up to 5.7 or 6.0

Im open to discussion

[cracky]

100%

[RafikisAntsYT]

cause it used to get 95mm of pen

[76561199341125672]

Kugelblitz should be 6.0 not 7.0 as it is now. It is not that much better than Ostwind II for example. Yes, Kugelblitz has better armor but it is too slow to shoot down fighter jets.

[LordBUM]

the snail hates Germany confirmed.