do you think there is a russian bias in the game?

[⎛⎝Sharkestry⎠⎞]

many people talk about it, what do you think?

[whatdoesthisbuttondo?]

Originally posted by FizzyElf:

The rates plateau and drop when a new vehicle starts to become wide spread in peoples lineups, Generally a heavy drop on release (thankfully the pantsir is a SPAA so it isn't suffering like new MBT's or Jets do) and then another drop when the people who didn't GE their way to the vehicle finally start unlocking it on mass. It should stabilize by the end of april as the april fools event will hurt everyones stats.

To be honest, what I believe we are seeing with the Pantsir is more likely players needing some time to adapt to a new CAS meta.

When it first started appearing in meaningful numbers, Russia indeed enjoyed a few days of clear skies, with the expected stomp fest.

CAS players have adapted by now though, and you see the Pantsir on the receiving end of the kill feed against planes more often than the other way round.

In hindsight, I would say it probably was a bad addition, not because of the issues with other nations having nothing comparable, but because the change in meta it forced upon us hurt all other SPAA efficiency as well. And it didn't actually change anything in the grand scheme of things for Russia against CAS, just now you get bombed instead of missiled.

Should have rather just dropped BR on 2S6 or found some 10.3 option instead of the Pantsir.

Just my €0.02

[SadlyItsDaniel]

I have played up to Rank 4 in Soviet Tanks and ill explain it the

A- Complicated way

B - Simple way.

A ) I had to learn how to position, advance and defend myself from german tanks that oppose a great threat and are more well armored.
Sure some soviet tanks have decent armor at some spots but it blows with the T-34-85 with 0 frontal armor or any other tank under it, they are pretty much cardboard and tape but thats almost every single tank.

With a soviet tank you learn to position, shoot and survive, every spot and atom of the map can be used for your advantage, not rushing and being patient can be an advantage.
The moment you gain a 100mm barrel for your own tank the game gets quite easier with the new engineering upgrades.

Each tank gets its own upgrades and gets better with each generation and the Communists didnt mess around with their weaponry,
T-34-85 (frontal armor issue, weak barrel)
T-44-100 (frontal armor issue fixed, thicker armor, plates on sides, Machine gun mounted to defend yourself against planes, 100mm)



B) No i dont think they are biased i think people just need to figure out the weak spots on each SSSR tank.

[DOOPs Greatest Admiral]

No the hand holding is in the German tree.

[Warlock]

How many Players have a Nation bias? Is that normal? Is it fair to assume a Developer will carry some of that into their game?

I think it is impossible that none of the Developers have a bias, but I also observe that people who study WW2 and other wars in any amount of detail and duration tend to come away with less bias, and more compassion for the Men of all Nations.

There is naturally going to be personal Dev bias that does not affect the game match outcomes. Especially when compared to factors such as Teamwork, knowledge of vehicle capabilities, of course skill.

And although obviously not visible in replays, a well-documented history of Positioning and Hit Detection problems on the Servers.

I have had two such instances in recent matches, shot down by planes that were not even pointing at me. My first reaction was "omg that must be a Hacker!"

[Lt. William L. Calley]

yes and the newest addition to that is the pantsir

[akor937]

Yes

[Emperors Champion Dragos]

Yes, and just one example of it would be the Pantsir being added, but it's a complex issue

[CaptainSpacetime]

T-34 driver hatch is somehow made of modern composite armor, so yes.

[Oz]

Originally posted by hsf_:

Originally posted by Spooky:

Russia has a >70% winrate at top tier at the moment...

No it doesn't. It has a 63.55% winrate, which is lower than China(67.695%) and Sweden(67.854%)
https://wt.controlnet.space/

Back in December 2022 was when Russia has a 71.72% win ratio.

Dont fall into the statistics trap; mere numbers are misleading if you dont evaluate the why and how they came to be in the first place.

A good vehicle, misplayed by the majority, does not make the vehicle bad; it's just misused. BR re-adjustments based in winrate predominantly create horrid nightmares of BR balance.

Without very in-depth research and data evaluation, most if not all of this is an approximation of reality at best; an inflated hoax at worst.

Thunderskill doesnt include most of the playerbase, as most dont even know it's a thing; and as a thrid-party you need to be involved with it for the DB to account for you to begin with.

So
A) We're not talking about any reasonably big pool of data to warrant a proper takeaway

B) The reasons for an entire BR having a certain win-rate isnt determined by the vehicles but by the players (i.e. people play entire BR brackets on certain nations because of terrible, yet funny vehicles. Or play them because of a specifically messed up vehicle - See the pre-nerf PUMA in 9.3)

An example of the "why and how":
UK has notoriously hard to use tanks with only solid-shot AP round in contrast to the much easier APHE of Germany and Russia; yet they have a marginally higher win-rate.

This (I would strongly believe) is due to much better players grinding up UK to better or more interesting tanks, see the Tutel or FV. And despite that they remain in a fair middle ground of win-rate.

China and France also have notoriously terrible tanks and the low tier winrates would suggest that too - But at high ranks they become the goats, due to having much more up-to-standard tanks together with a playerbase that is much more capable after that much pain in the first place.

Italy has a terribly low winrate starting from 5.3 all the way to 6.7 - Here there is a MASSIVE gap between the 5.0 Sherman and the 6.3 Fiat/6.7 M26. So obviously in a badly filled up-tier they suffer throughout these BRs equally - As these BRs firstly dont exist, and then get hard to use or niche tanks; facing Tigers, Panthers, ISs and jumbos.


Addressing the topic at hand, "does WT have a russian bias". For all we know they might have, but it could ultimately be victim of confirmation bias, due to some unrefined mechanics, unintended or unrefined damage models or plain being unlucky.

Personally, just as many British, American or German tanks gulp up shots they shouldnt; and the same planes tend to pilot snipe or outlive their realistic expectations. Russian tanks welding spots eat 400mm pen no problem, so do Germans or Americans.
The missing spalling on some russians could be an, if so very generous, oversight; realistically they should spall more if anything but oh well.

I would at times agree to the odd BR placements; but every nation has those regardless.
I wouldnt say Russia gets a specific favouritism, and if so mildly at times. Maybe an extra few suspicious shells or incorrectly processed damage models come to be, but without actual proof it could just be a lucky (or unlucky) engagement.

[Jon Spog]

russian tanks' glow up was the kv-1 and the T-54, other than that it's unplayable, mainly because the depression angle of them never seem to go more than 5 degrees. one small rock can turn the tank into a hot burning can of human intestine

[shipdesignerdude]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Originally posted by Mission Cmdr. J. Madden:

No the hand holding is in the German tree.

Yes, the nation with one of the weakest top tier lineups and where the best Leopards are in the Swedish tree, Germany's top tank is a backup vehicle for Sweden, and Germany certainly isn't top dog in air either.

Huh? Did the introduction of the MiG-29 fly over your head?

[shipdesignerdude]

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

Yes, and just one example of it would be the Pantsir being added, but it's a complex issue

In so justifying a singular OK vehicle being added as bias for a nation, Bias has certainly flipped around a couple times. This update it was German Bias, last one Russian Bias, F-14 was US Bias, MLD is Russian Bias, you get the point.

[Col. Cornbread]

Nearly all of the soviet vehicles in this game are based on their paper stats and not how they actually perform.

[FizzyElf]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Originally posted by shipdesignerdude:

Huh? Did the introduction of the MiG-29 fly over your head?

Adding something they needed that other trees already had equals or better version of doesn't sound like handholding to me.

The only hand holding to come out of the next gen jets was the event Tornado which is better than the other Tornado's simply by the virtue of it getting a lower BR with the same armorment, not that the tornado is all that great in game but still the 10.7 vs 11.3 BR does help a bit. The other tornado and Mig 29 simple put germany on even footing with the competition.

[Col. Cornbread]

Originally posted by FizzyElf:

The only hand holding to come out of the next gen jets was the event Tornado which is better than the other Tornado's simply by the virtue of it getting a lower BR with the same armorment, not that the tornado is all that great in game but still the 10.7 vs 11.3 BR does help a bit. The other tornado and Mig 29 simple put germany on even footing with the competition.

Losing the guided weapons for 4 Anti ship missiles that can only Lock and launch at ships makes it kind of pointless when you want said Guided ammo for killing ground targets at range.