Is there a single U.S. Jet that doesn't absolutely suck?

[ProfessorParker]

I haven't ever flown a single U.S. Jet that isn't absolute ASS. Is there a single jet that is actually playable in the U.S. tree?? I've flown F-80A-5 through the F-5E and all of them are trash, I've flown F-84B-26 through the F-4C and they're all trash also. Is the F2H-2 through the F3H-2 any good at all? What about the F3D-1 through the FJ-4B? I know the Harrier is pretty ok but just can't compete with MiG-21s in maneuverability or speed. A-10A Late seems pretty good from what I've seen, F-8 seems average with trash wing/airframe strength constantly ripping in high-speed turns, I would guess the F-4E/J are going to have the same issues as the F-4C where its missiles don't compete at 12.0, along with flying like a brick. Finally, both the F-14 and F-16 seem the same or worse than the MiG-29.

[Sull]

Crusaders and Harrier are probably the ones I've had the most success in. Cougar and Banshee aren't bad. Starfighters at 9.3 have been surprisingly good to me, dat speed + vulcan is fun. Presumably also Tomcat and F-16 but only have one game in the Tomcat and not unlocked the F-16 yet so can't say for sure on them.

[Emperors Champion Dragos]

I like the phantoms, but they are missing stuff that would make them better, overall, a lot of the US tree needs some work, but I don't know when thats going to happen sadly. People like the F14 and F16, I don't have em yet.

[Kay]

F-80, F-8, F-14 and F-16 are all solid (the latter two are extremely good), some people do really well with the F-104, the F-4J is decent at it's BR too

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[Futuristic Hexagon]

If you use the gunfighter ability the F-5C is still quite beastly. Had fun on the EC maps using napalm on bases and then gunfighting a kill or two before flying back to base.

The F-86F-2 is still a force to be reckoned with in 8.7, it's basically what the Lim-5P is in fire power and performance (says afterburner of the 5P). The A5 variant of the Saber is not bad for an 8.3 aircraft either. Been a while since I pulled out the F-86F-35, but might still be solid in competent hands and not uptiered too hard.

AV-8A is good at distant kills with the AIM-9Gs and massive flare pod. Can do some good CAS too.

F-80A-5 has shown to be quite a flexible starting fighter, and the Banshee is decent too now at its current BR.

[𝒞𝒶𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁 Sinner]

My favorite US jet is probablyyy.. uhhh.. I guess the F-4S now that I finally understand how to use the radar. My stats are still pretty bad and I'm getting 1-2 kills max per game, but it's not entirely horrible either.

Besides that, I would say the AV8 does a good job for what it is, a ground pounder/CAS. The B-53 isn't also bad either, and though you can't turn with most jets to really get use out of the 50cals, it does work as a bomber then ground pounder. The phantoms work in multi-role as well, the F4C works as a fighter and bomber, you get the idea.

[chicks99]

Yea I agree with what you have said. The planes are all either old or useless, the F4E used to be really good until the Mig23 MLD dropped (I get flashbacks to this day from it) and the F4C along with F104s used to be viable before the advent of all aspect missile slinging at 9.7-10.0 BR.

The F8 Crusaders to be frank they're mediocre at best, the radar isn't the greatest and the aim9d's are slightly better than Aim9Js. But the aim9ds are still caged so I wouldn't use them below a range of 2km (and if you are able to, at that point the enemy is going so slow you should just use your guns instead of wasting a missile) The Thrust to weight ratio is quite bad (it is a CHONK of a plane) so it is blocked by a vapor cloud most of the time you fly in a straight line with afterburner on (barely supersonic).

F14 used to be the top dog when it was dropped, ever since it's been slowly losing it's spot.
F16 I unlocked but never bought (I'm not paying 2 billion silver lions to grind something thats worse than the F14)


The U.S planes don't actually get what they're supposed to be loaded with,
F100 super saber can get Aim9Js (It's literally 9.3 and faces against all aspect 30g missiles, I don't want to hear "MUH 20Gs is too much" for a plane that barely goes supersonic w/ 0 flares)
for one the F4C should get countermeasures and Aim9Js.
the F4E should get Aim9Ls because it faces off against MANY opponents equipped with the same missile or even better IR missiles.

Most if not all the U.S 3rd generation jets are seen BETTER in different tech trees. EX: Italy has the best F104, Israel has the best F4 Phantom, China has the best F5 Tiger, The F16 is basically the same for everyone.

TLDR: US gets the short end of the stick if they don't get any shiny new planes in the current update.

[shipdesignerdude]

I had great fun with the F8U-2 before the caged seeker was added to the 9D. The F-8E might be better gameplay, but everything is just much more costly (crewing, parts). The F-4J is still pretty good, because it basically is the F-4S. The advantages of the F-4S don't warrant it being played much more aggressively, because a Phantom will lose to anything but a tornado.

The issue is that you came in with such a blanket statement while ignoring the obvious meta-defining part of the tree. Any look at Youtube will tell you that BVR dominates, and you crewed an aircraft that bet everything on dogfighting.

[NapoleonBornToParty]

if you complain about US planes, then u are absolutely suck

best overall planes (best CAS, fighter and ground pound in all BR) and no, Mig 29 is NOT better than F16 both in game and irl
learn properly and stop moaning at forum
and yes, people with double standard bs WILL CRY when they got killed by better players using russian vehicles

[Emperors Champion Dragos]

Originally posted by chicks99:

Yea I agree with what you have said. The planes are all either old or useless, the F4E used to be really good until the Mig23 MLD dropped (I get flashbacks to this day from it) and the F4C along with F104s used to be viable before the advent of all aspect missile slinging at 9.7-10.0 BR.

The F8 Crusaders to be frank they're mediocre at best, the radar isn't the greatest and the aim9d's are slightly better than Aim9Js. But the aim9ds are still caged so I wouldn't use them below a range of 2km (and if you are able to, at that point the enemy is going so slow you should just use your guns instead of wasting a missile) The Thrust to weight ratio is quite bad (it is a CHONK of a plane) so it is blocked by a vapor cloud most of the time you fly in a straight line with afterburner on (barely supersonic).

F14 used to be the top dog when it was dropped, ever since it's been slowly losing it's spot.
F16 I unlocked but never bought (I'm not paying 2 billion silver lions to grind something thats worse than the F14)


The U.S planes don't actually get what they're supposed to be loaded with,
F100 super saber can get Aim9Js (It's literally 9.3 and faces against all aspect 30g missiles, I don't want to hear "MUH 20Gs is too much" for a plane that barely goes supersonic w/ 0 flares)
for one the F4C should get countermeasures and Aim9Js.
the F4E should get Aim9Ls because it faces off against MANY opponents equipped with the same missile or even better IR missiles.

Most if not all the U.S 3rd generation jets are seen BETTER in different tech trees. EX: Italy has the best F104, Israel has the best F4 Phantom, China has the best F5 Tiger, The F16 is basically the same for everyone.

TLDR: US gets the short end of the stick if they don't get any shiny new planes in the current update.

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[MaDeuce]

In competent hands just about all of them are great.
Which means...

[ProfessorParker]

Originally posted by NapoleonBornToParty:

if you complain about US planes, then u are absolutely suck

best overall planes (best CAS, fighter and ground pound in all BR) and no, Mig 29 is NOT better than F16 both in game and irl
learn properly and stop moaning at forum
and yes, people with double standard bs WILL CRY when they got killed by better players using russian vehicles

Originally posted by MaDeuce:

In competent hands just about all of them are great.
Which means...

Like what? tens of thousands of hours playing jets?

[MaDeuce]

Originally posted by ProfessorParker:

Originally posted by MaDeuce:

In competent hands just about all of them are great.
Which means...

Like what? tens of thousands of hours playing jets?

Sure, that would certainly help.

More importantly though you need time in each jet. Unlike U.S. prop planes that pretty much all utilize your basic BnZ tactics, U.S. jets differ greatly in capabilities. For example, you don't fly the F-5 like the F-4, or F-104 etc.

Most other trees you can continuously unlock jets and feel comfortable because it's basically the same concept, whereas the U.S. tree will force you to adapt to completely different designs, like air frame performance, radars, and weapons tailored for very specific engagements. It really is a great tree full of fun and unique aircraft, from knife fighting in an F-5, 60km sniping in the F-14, to a multi role fighter bombing bases and still carrying 6 AIM-9Ls in the F-16A. It just requires a little more dedication to be good with any of them individually.

[Akagi]

F-8U2 and F-8E ere certainly great planes.

Also wtf do you mean F-80A and F-84B are trash? F-80 beats the 262 clones (including Su-9) in basically every aspect and the 84B is turning off your brakn and using hit and run manouvers with barely anyone being able to keep up with you

[Chikuwu]

Wait you're saying one of the most multirole plane trees of all, is having problems?

Nah man, american tech tree is not as bad as compared to any minor tech trees. It at least isnt completely uptiered and gets access to missiles capable to that of the russian counterparts (in most 0.3 BR ranges at least) compared to minor tech tree vehicles.