f4c going against r60m

[Mark Zuckerslice]

this 10.0 br bracket is totally busted by p2w mouth breathers. uninstalled.

[Shortstuffed]

literally no one cares

[Emperors Champion Dragos]

Gotta wait for gaijin to add its chaff pod, and then stay far away from the all aspects, its bs. Use 12 zunis as heat seekers or an aim9l fired at their r60 to stop it, sucks, but you have to do it.

[Futuristic Hexagon]

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

Gotta wait for gaijin to add its chaff pod, and then stay far away from the all aspects, its bs. Use 12 zunis as heat seekers or an aim9l fired at their r60 to stop it, sucks, but you have to do it.

If they do it like the F-105D, the pod will only dispense chaff, useless against IR missiles.

[Emperors Champion Dragos]

Originally posted by Futuristic Hexagon:

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

Gotta wait for gaijin to add its chaff pod, and then stay far away from the all aspects, its bs. Use 12 zunis as heat seekers or an aim9l fired at their r60 to stop it, sucks, but you have to do it.

If they do it like the F-105D, the pod will only dispense chaff, useless against IR missiles.

Yes, thats how chaff works lmao? Cut your throttle and evade, or use zunis as I said or the sidewinders to shoot the missile??? If it had a chaff pod, you could stay up high using sparrows for BVR instead of trying to fight low with the op su25s

[JuX]

The 9.3-10.3 bracket suffers from horrific BR compression.

While there are pay-to-win aircrafts on this bracket, but there is also good standard aircrafts. The 10.3's in general are beasts that completely stomp the lower tiers with their superior missiles.

R-60's are high maneuverable, but short ranged. So you have to play by the "speed is life" motto with super sonic jets. As no counter-measures are available. This is bit harder to do against the US AIM-9D's that have longer range, but inferior G's compared to R-60.


Also think Su-25 is the only one with R-60M's at that tier, so this missile is least of your worries. And front-aspect IR missile can be locked on to with missile of your own.

[LunarGatta]

It amuses me that people complain about the Su-25 missiles while over half of my kills in it are from people trying to dogfight me and getting shot down with actual guns.

Keep your speed instead of dumping it on the first enemy and the R-60s can't touch you. Vast majority of my missile kills in it are purely because of 2 reasons.

1: People don't pay attention to see that I am on intercept course, I get close and missile them. None of them look around, obviously they die. They're all faster than me, they can outspeed the missile, but not when fired from the front or side at 1.5km

2: They dump all of their speed with the first enemy they encounter, only to get missiled by someone that has missiles.

Too many times i've seen Milans, some Sabres, CL-13s, Ariete etc run into the first enemy, immediately turn, dump all of their speed, then act surprised they got picked off by a missile.

Too many times i watched people going over mach 1, no point to fire a missile, it'll never reach, they dump to "catch" someone that's keeping their speed and running away, while they presumably see that the guy running has multiple team mates closing it, they are now going 400-500km/h, and you're acting surprised they got missiled or plain shot out of the sky.

[Mark Zuckerslice]

Originally posted by TheCampingOwl:

It amuses me that people complain about the Su-25 missiles while over half of my kills in it are from people trying to dogfight me and getting shot down with actual guns.

Keep your speed instead of dumping it on the first enemy and the R-60s can't touch you. Vast majority of my missile kills in it are purely because of 2 reasons.

1: People don't pay attention to see that I am on intercept course, I get close and missile them. None of them look around, obviously they die. They're all faster than me, they can outspeed the missile, but not when fired from the front or side at 1.5km

2: They dump all of their speed with the first enemy they encounter, only to get missiled by someone that has missiles.

Too many times i've seen Milans, some Sabres, CL-13s, Ariete etc run into the first enemy, immediately turn, dump all of their speed, then act surprised they got picked off by a missile.

Too many times i watched people going over mach 1, no point to fire a missile, it'll never reach, they dump to "catch" someone that's keeping their speed and running away, while they presumably see that the guy running has multiple team mates closing it, they are now going 400-500km/h, and you're acting surprised they got missiled or plain shot out of the sky.

average su25 user denial

[Futuristic Hexagon]

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

Originally posted by Futuristic Hexagon:

If they do it like the F-105D, the pod will only dispense chaff, useless against IR missiles.

Yes, thats how chaff works lmao? Cut your throttle and evade, or use zunis as I said or the sidewinders to shoot the missile??? If it had a chaff pod, you could stay up high using sparrows for BVR instead of trying to fight low with the op su25s

Chaff is against radar. Flares are against IR missiles. My understanding is these specific pids in game don't get access to Flares.

[Swag Messiah]

Originally posted by JuX:

The 9.3-10.3 bracket suffers from horrific BR compression.

While there are pay-to-win aircrafts on this bracket, but there is also good standard aircrafts. The 10.3's in general are beasts that completely stomp the lower tiers with their superior missiles.

R-60's are high maneuverable, but short ranged. So you have to play by the "speed is life" motto with super sonic jets. As no counter-measures are available. This is bit harder to do against the US AIM-9D's that have longer range, but inferior G's compared to R-60.


Also think Su-25 is the only one with R-60M's at that tier, so this missile is least of your worries. And front-aspect IR missile can be locked on to with missile of your own.

The problem with 10.3 IMO isn't the fact that uptiers suck. That alone I can deal with eventually. The problem is, it costs me anywhere between 10k and 16k to get BTFO by a missile I have no hope of dodging.

The uptiers are bad. The costs are so much worse. The reason you see so many paypiggies is because its the only way to afford games. Planes in air RB are obviously balanced based on their ground RB performance and rank. Planes like the F-5C would be better off at 9.3 but then that wouldn't be fair to the trans-sonics. BRs should go up to 14 or so, by my estimation, to actually balance top tier air RB. Technology from 1960 to now advanced so quickly it's probably the best place to implement era-correct matches.

[Sull]

Originally posted by Futuristic Hexagon:

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

Yes, thats how chaff works lmao? Cut your throttle and evade, or use zunis as I said or the sidewinders to shoot the missile??? If it had a chaff pod, you could stay up high using sparrows for BVR instead of trying to fight low with the op su25s

Chaff is against radar. Flares are against IR missiles. My understanding is these specific pids in game don't get access to Flares.

Yea he didn't say anything else. He's saying if it gets a chaff pod it can go high alt without being easy pickings for radar missiles and to bring a pod of Zuni rockets to use as makeshift flares for IR missiles

Originally posted by Quirked Up White Boy Goated With:

The problem with 10.3 IMO isn't the fact that uptiers suck. That alone I can deal with eventually. The problem is, it costs me anywhere between 10k and 16k to get BTFO by a missile I have no hope of dodging.

The uptiers are bad. The costs are so much worse. The reason you see so many paypiggies is because its the only way to afford games.

The repair cost yes, particularly in any plane that doesn't have countermeasures which at that BR is still surprisingly many.. I really think for balance sake, above a certain BR everyone should get a base number of countermeasures, regardless if they could have them IRL.

Max BR raised to 14 yes please. Would solve so damn much. F-5C at 9.3 tho, wat?? What would motivate that? Don't own it myself but the only obvious negative to say about it in my experience is unspectacular missiles

[Futuristic Hexagon]

Originally posted by Sull:

Originally posted by Futuristic Hexagon:

Chaff is against radar. Flares are against IR missiles. My understanding is these specific pids in game don't get access to Flares.

Yea he didn't say anything else. He's saying if it gets a chaff pod it can go high alt without being easy pickings for radar missiles and to bring a pod of Zuni rockets to use as makeshift flares for IR missiles

Originally posted by Quirked Up White Boy Goated With:

The problem with 10.3 IMO isn't the fact that uptiers suck. That alone I can deal with eventually. The problem is, it costs me anywhere between 10k and 16k to get BTFO by a missile I have no hope of dodging.

The uptiers are bad. The costs are so much worse. The reason you see so many paypiggies is because its the only way to afford games.

The repair cost yes, particularly in any plane that doesn't have countermeasures which at that BR is still surprisingly many.. I really think for balance sake, above a certain BR everyone should get a base number of countermeasures, regardless if they could have them IRL.

Max BR raised to 14 yes please. Would solve so damn much. F-5C at 9.3 tho, wat?? What would motivate that? Don't own it myself but the only obvious negative to say about it in my experience is unspectacular missiles

Ah, yeah that makes sense then.

F-5C has terrible missiles. Beastly gunfighter though. Those uptiers to seeing MiG-23s can be hard though.

[DanielExde]

Originally posted by spoon:

this 10.0 br bracket is totally busted by p2w mouth breathers. uninstalled.

BOHO, people in 8.7 are going against it

[Emperors Champion Dragos]

Originally posted by Sull:

Originally posted by Futuristic Hexagon:

Chaff is against radar. Flares are against IR missiles. My understanding is these specific pids in game don't get access to Flares.

Yea he didn't say anything else. He's saying if it gets a chaff pod it can go high alt without being easy pickings for radar missiles and to bring a pod of Zuni rockets to use as makeshift flares for IR missiles

Originally posted by Quirked Up White Boy Goated With:

The problem with 10.3 IMO isn't the fact that uptiers suck. That alone I can deal with eventually. The problem is, it costs me anywhere between 10k and 16k to get BTFO by a missile I have no hope of dodging.

The uptiers are bad. The costs are so much worse. The reason you see so many paypiggies is because its the only way to afford games.

The repair cost yes, particularly in any plane that doesn't have countermeasures which at that BR is still surprisingly many.. I really think for balance sake, above a certain BR everyone should get a base number of countermeasures, regardless if they could have them IRL.

Max BR raised to 14 yes please. Would solve so damn much. F-5C at 9.3 tho, wat?? What would motivate that? Don't own it myself but the only obvious negative to say about it in my experience is unspectacular missiles

Thank you lmao, didn't know if I could say it again

[𝑅𝒾𝓃]

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

Originally posted by Futuristic Hexagon:

If they do it like the F-105D, the pod will only dispense chaff, useless against IR missiles.

Yes, thats how chaff works lmao? Cut your throttle and evade, or use zunis as I said or the sidewinders to shoot the missile??? If it had a chaff pod, you could stay up high using sparrows for BVR instead of trying to fight low with the op su25s

Chaff does nothing towards IR missiles lmao? Chaff is for radar missiles, not IR.

[Swag Messiah]

Originally posted by Sull:

Originally posted by Futuristic Hexagon:

Chaff is against radar. Flares are against IR missiles. My understanding is these specific pids in game don't get access to Flares.

Yea he didn't say anything else. He's saying if it gets a chaff pod it can go high alt without being easy pickings for radar missiles and to bring a pod of Zuni rockets to use as makeshift flares for IR missiles

Originally posted by Quirked Up White Boy Goated With:

The problem with 10.3 IMO isn't the fact that uptiers suck. That alone I can deal with eventually. The problem is, it costs me anywhere between 10k and 16k to get BTFO by a missile I have no hope of dodging.

The uptiers are bad. The costs are so much worse. The reason you see so many paypiggies is because its the only way to afford games.

The repair cost yes, particularly in any plane that doesn't have countermeasures which at that BR is still surprisingly many.. I really think for balance sake, above a certain BR everyone should get a base number of countermeasures, regardless if they could have them IRL.

Max BR raised to 14 yes please. Would solve so damn much. F-5C at 9.3 tho, wat?? What would motivate that? Don't own it myself but the only obvious negative to say about it in my experience is unspectacular missiles

The F-5C's problem is that while its great at gunfighting it's size barely means anything against modern missiles. AIM-9Bs are 8.7+ so it belongs somewhere around there. There are great gunfighters at 9.7 that can counter it except for the fact it's barely supersonic. That's the part that makes it difficult to balance into a correct BR. Expansion to 14 BR levels means it can stay where it's at. Fact of the matter is at 10.3 it's lackluster at everything it does. Every semi-modern aircraft outperforms it in every way including turning.