Turms to 10.3 or higher, tank is braindead at current br

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Title don't even try to cope at is being remotely fine at 10.0

[FizzyElf]

Originalmente postado por +rep Vollidiot:

Originalmente postado por Venom Thanos:

The moderna was at one point worthless around $70, ain't its the player who set the selling price not gaijoobies?

and the pt16/t14 was at around 50 so what ? :D

I own both. They are freaking busted. That said, even if they were 2 GJN at one point it wouldn't matter, there are not enough vehicle coupons for everyone to have one and not everyone playing today, played during those events, if a player has them then it is likely they bring them in every top tier lineup so if you get in a match with a player who has one odds are you will see it in the first or second MBT spawn of the match but otherwise they are some of many rare vehicles that most people don't have access to and eventually will be so rare that most players will never see one, like the E-100 or IS-7 at lower BR's where people can get through that BR range during their grind and never have the opportunity to drive along side or fight them.

[FizzyElf]

Originalmente postado por DIRTYBOMB:

Originalmente postado por SpiralRazor:

Thats why RU win rate is so high?? Please....

10.0 russia is the worst what are talking about? high win rate? it's like 40%, easily the worst br in the entire tree because premium spam

Yep, that said, the vehicles available are pretty nice but the BR is just full of one death leavers and pure premium players who can't hit the broadside of a battleship, the premium stuff is really strong and just one competent player can easily be a nightmare for the enemy team but at the end of the day unless you get into a match with russian tech tree players whom have massive and well rounded lineups, then you are probably gonna lose. And if you get germany on your team it's nearly guaranteed they are either stock tech tree players who just got a leo 2k or 2A4 or they are premium players with just have the camo leo 2A4 and nothing else, so they will just oh so happily make absolutely certain the match is over very very quickly.

[Karl Marx (ص)]

Originalmente postado por SpiralRazor:

Originalmente postado por Karl Marx (ص):

it's safe to say in 2023 if you still think there is a russian bias, you seriously need to git gud.

Thats why RU win rate is so high?? Please....

Best SPAA, and decent helies might be a factor, but the biggest factor is the fact that nation combinations matter, I team up with my american friend and it's like 54%ish W/L, but alone I usually get teamed with the chinese and sometimes Swedish, and the high W/L kicks in.

So it's more of a combo problem, and if anybody thinks it's because of two tanks, the BVM and 72B3 have side skirts ERA and that is the winning factor, they are really coping hard.

[Qu Rahn]

Originalmente postado por Karl Marx (ص):

Originalmente postado por SpiralRazor:

Thats why RU win rate is so high?? Please....

Best SPAA, and decent helies might be a factor, but the biggest factor is the fact that nation combinations matter, I team up with my american friend and it's like 54%ish W/L, but alone I usually get teamed with the chinese and sometimes Swedish, and the high W/L kicks in.

So it's more of a combo problem, and if anybody thinks it's because of two tanks, the BVM and 72B3 have side skirts ERA and that is the winning factor, they are really coping hard.

The high winrate is at top tier though, not 10.0, which is where the TURMS sits. The current winrate stats for russian higher tiers are (no BR gap):

9.0 49.8%
9.3 45.4%
9.7 46.3%
10.0 45.8% <---- TURMS
10.3 47.3%
10.7 49%
11.0 52.9%

The further away you get from the 10.0, the better it gets. Now, if you consider the 1.0 BR range:

9.0-10.0 46.2%
9.3-10.3 46%
9.7-10.7 46.3%
10.0-11.0 46.9%

Again, it suddenly gets better when you step out of that range. ALL other nations at the 9.0-11.0 range have positive WR, at around the 53-55% range.

Failing to pen a 9.3 armor profile is a skill issue, one that most of the player base seems to not be suffering from, I'm sorry to say. I don't want to bash OP, but something is wrong, be it sample bias or gameplay style - perhaps he's trying to brawl in sniper tanks, I don't know. The stats do not reflect what he is saying, nor does patch history. For years russia had the worst top tier stats. KPZ/MBT-70 dominated their era, then the M1, then 2A5, then the 2A6.

[+rep Vollidiot]

Originalmente postado por Qu Rahn:

Originalmente postado por Karl Marx (ص):

Best SPAA, and decent helies might be a factor, but the biggest factor is the fact that nation combinations matter, I team up with my american friend and it's like 54%ish W/L, but alone I usually get teamed with the chinese and sometimes Swedish, and the high W/L kicks in.

So it's more of a combo problem, and if anybody thinks it's because of two tanks, the BVM and 72B3 have side skirts ERA and that is the winning factor, they are really coping hard.

The high winrate is at top tier though, not 10.0, which is where the TURMS sits. The current winrate stats for russian higher tiers are (no BR gap):

9.0 49.8%
9.3 45.4%
9.7 46.3%
10.0 45.8% <---- TURMS
10.3 47.3%
10.7 49%
11.0 52.9%

The further away you get from the 10.0, the better it gets. Now, if you consider the 1.0 BR range:

9.0-10.0 46.2%
9.3-10.3 46%
9.7-10.7 46.3%
10.0-11.0 46.9%

Again, it suddenly gets better when you step out of that range. ALL other nations at the 9.0-11.0 range have positive WR, at around the 53-55% range.

Failing to pen a 9.3 armor profile is a skill issue, one that most of the player base seems to not be suffering from, I'm sorry to say. I don't want to bash OP, but something is wrong, be it sample bias or gameplay style - perhaps he's trying to brawl in sniper tanks, I don't know. The stats do not reflect what he is saying, nor does patch history. For years russia had the worst top tier stats. KPZ/MBT-70 dominated their era, then the M1, then 2A5, then the 2A6.

should we talk about how russia had in that time the best ammo that could pen the m1 abrams turret because of ru magic ?
or that they then changed the ammo and everyone got worse apfsds and russia suddenly got 3bm42 when 3bm22 could nont lol pen the m1 anymore ? xD

[Qu Rahn]

Originalmente postado por +rep Vollidiot:

should we talk about how russia had in that time the best ammo that could pen the m1 abrams turret because of ru magic ?
or that they then changed the ammo and everyone got worse apfsds and russia suddenly got 3bm42 when 3bm22 could nont lol pen the m1 anymore ? xD

By 'suddenly' you mean 6 major patches later (2~3 years)? Because the M1 was added in 1.77, and 3BM42 only came into existance with 1.87.

When the M1 was introduced, the best tanks russia had were the T64A & T64B, their top rounds were 3BM15 & 3BM22 -- also, the T64B didn't have the BV mod, that was added later. Both got rolled hard. T64A was already being stomped in previous patches by the MBT/KPZ-70. The 2K was the more capable contender, while the Chieftains & Challenger 1 also performed poorly.

Then the 2A4, T80B were added a lil bit later, then the IPM1. I don't remember this era very well, but IIRC the IPM1 had the upper hand, then the 2A4, while everyone else performed poorly. The T80B didn't even have K1 till some later revision, not that K1 matters too much. Also, a reminder that russia didn't have a thermals MBT until the T80 units, while NATO were sporting them before, which was one of the reasons for the TURMS addition.

Then rank 7 was added. M1A1, 2A5, Challenger 2 & T80U. 3BM42 was added, and it was also given to the T64B/T80B. The Leo 2A5 stomped hard on everyone else here, 3BM42 often failed to pen the headlights plate on the 2A5 (btw it had 425 flat pen pen back then). The LFP was the ONLY actual reliable shot you had against the 2A5, which, since it had the best turret armor and -9 depression, meant you basically couldn't do much except wait for aggressive players to push from ridge lines, or break guns here and there. The M1A1 performed better than the T80U, and the Challie again got shafted.

I have not touched the T64B much since the volumetric changes, but even with 3BM42 it still was quite inferior to the M1. Ruskies barring the T72B3 & T80BVM are different degrees of sluggish vehicles, lack of thermals & atrocious gun handling -- especially at 9.x. A strong shot does not make it for all the cons.

Leclerc and Ariete got added on later patches, and the Ariete had a gimmick in its very high pen (625), while everyone was in the 4xx range. When the 2A6 came Germans again were the best nation at top tier, with the strongest turret and the strongest shell. It was yet another massive stomp.
I remember clearly that many people were asking for everyone to receive better shells, I opposed it as it would take away from the Ariete's uniqueness and also make armor more irrelevant.

Anyhow, Germans and Americans fought places for years for the 'best in top tier' title.
It was only when Sweden got added (122s are imo the best tanks in the game) and Russia got massive buffs in the way of helis and decent gun handling (T72B3 & T80BVM) that WRs started to shift. The last time Russia dominated before this was in the late WWII era, with the IS-3/4 series.

Now, don't take me wrong, I dislike those 65% WR at top tier as well, and I rather see properly performing tanks in their appropriate BRs, even if that means taking out a shell and lowering them till their armor works again, but the TURMS having high WR is not true, nor that russia has always been this strong. We have past data to show that.

[FizzyElf]

The IPM1 most definitely had the upper hand, hell even when I started to really grind the game the IPM was still nuts and was the main competition for my 2PL and later my T-72 moderna, now it's not quite as bad but it's still a very nice MBT. Also I believe the Turms and the Leo 1A5 120 were the first MBT's of their nations to get thermals.

And there is no "imo", the 122's are flat out the best MBT's in the game with their only competition being the BVM and 2PL. They have good optics, good mobility, stronger armor than the main leo horde, they start off with good APFSDS rounds and get to skip stock heat and they are a pair of comparable MBT's like the Merkava 4's so you can bring both in a lineup and the only major difference will be the parascope. They are fantastic and will continue to be top dog until a better 80 variant is added (which would basically just be the Eagle prototype as far as I can tell) or a better leo variant is added which would be the 2A5 versions of the PL which would make them even more tanky and result in the addition of a leo with gen 3 thermals (though the PL and PSO should have gen 3 but in game use gen 2 and gen 1 respectively. The PSO is also going to give nice competition for the 122's when the update drops).

[2in6x]

Originalmente postado por +rep Vollidiot:

Originalmente postado por GODZW33D:

Title don't even try to cope at is being remotely fine at 10.0

you can't say that here, anything going past russian bs propaganda will give you a forum timeout..

Ill give it to you with the propaganda and gaijin being russian but the turmst? Eh it performs okay in 11.0 could be moved to 10.3 or even 10.7 wouldnt mind it as i manage to get a few kills in it at 11.3. Id say otherwise for bmp2m, it should stay at its br its not that good.