I don't understand why so few people use jpz45 in german 6.3 line up

[FD_Stalker]

They would use worthless Jagdpather, fk face tiger iip, outdated pather, but jpz45 I barely see them

For anyone questioning my skill and experience, you can always check my thunderskill, my player name is same as my steam name

[Aaron]

'worthless Jagdpanther' might as well stop reading after that but im genuinely curious as to why someone in their right mind would think that the Jagdpanther is worthless when its unironically strong af and sits at 6.0

I for one don't use the Jpz 45 because it doesn't fit into my WW2 Line Up. Simple as that. Its a Post-WW2 Tank with a different design which doesn't suit into a late WW2 Line Up of Tiger II, Jagdtiger, Ferdinand, Jagdpanther etc. simple as that.

And also all of those Vehicles Germany has a extremely strong including the Jagdpanther, i see absolutely no Reason why anyone would complain about Germany Players using a specific Vehicle when all of them are strong and argueably stronger than any other Nations Vehicles. I mained Germany until Leo2A6 because i wait for it to be foldered, played China until 96A so far and now also played both USSR and Japan until late WW2 / early Cold War and Germany is stronger than all of them, not even up to debate honestly.

[Cop Unit 12]

The Jpz 45 only has HEATFS as a positive. The Jagdpather is one of the the most under tiered vehicles in the german tec tree and is in almost every way better then the JPZ 45. I find the Jagdpather and Ferdinand to be equals.

[Lucky_Star_Fan]

It starts with stock HESH which is the main reason I skipped it. Maybe I'll unlock it someday. I notice a lot of 6.3 German players only have the Tiger II(P) and leave as soon as they die in it, very sad.

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Cop Unit 12:

The Jpz 45 only has HEATFS as a positive. The Jagdpather is one of the the most under tiered vehicles in the german tec tree and is in almost every way better then the JPZ 45. I find the Jagdpather and Ferdinand to be equals.

Low profile, light tank speed and a transmission that lets you go as fast in reverse as you can forward arent advantages to you…?

not arguing anything about the jagdpanther, use that too, but the jpz like many light vehicles continues to be effective at higher BRs long after the mediums, heavies and tds at its br are obsolete

[chimera]

Standard HESH round, which are the equivalent of rolling dice and then throwing the dice at another tank, 50mm of armour and you end up in the same match as the Ferdy, so you may as well go for the Ferdy.

[FD_Stalker]

Originally posted by Cop Unit 12:

The Jpz 45 only has HEATFS as a positive. The Jagdpather is one of the the most under tiered vehicles in the german tec tree and is in almost every way better then the JPZ 45. I find the Jagdpather and Ferdinand to be equals.

your long 88 gonna cry against IS3 and t95, or any post war super heavy HT.
Mean while my JPZ, despite Gajin heavily nerf the accuracy, still capable lolpen moving object 2km away thx to its coldwar zoom, 300 pen HEATFS and 5.6s ACE reload speed. It's capable of fulfill almost any ground role: pure ADC, snipe assassin, road block, jungler, a true jack of all trade vehicle. And you tell me, jagdpanther, a fat tall outdated armored cat with soft gun is better than a 7.7 killer that sits on 6.3?

[FD_Stalker]

Originally posted by chimera:

Standard HESH round, which are the equivalent of rolling dice and then throwing the dice at another tank, 50mm of armour and you end up in the same match as the Ferdy, so you may as well go for the Ferdy.

Ferdi is compared to Jagdtiger's role and nobody should use Ferdi since it's on same br with Jagdtiger if he unlocked both

[FD_Stalker]

Originally posted by Aaron:

'worthless Jagdpanther' might as well stop reading after that but im genuinely curious as to why someone in their right mind would think that the Jagdpanther is worthless when its unironically strong af and sits at 6.0

I for one don't use the Jpz 45 because it doesn't fit into my WW2 Line Up. Simple as that. Its a Post-WW2 Tank with a different design which doesn't suit into a late WW2 Line Up of Tiger II, Jagdtiger, Ferdinand, Jagdpanther etc. simple as that.

And also all of those Vehicles Germany has a extremely strong including the Jagdpanther, i see absolutely no Reason why anyone would complain about Germany Players using a specific Vehicle when all of them are strong and argueably stronger than any other Nations Vehicles. I mained Germany until Leo2A6 because i wait for it to be foldered, played China until 96A so far and now also played both USSR and Japan until late WW2 / early Cold War and Germany is stronger than all of them, not even up to debate honestly.

Because it's 6.3 lineup and you are facing 7.3 with your worthless long 88. People cry for uptier, because they never prepare for it. Good player like me will always fully enjoy a full br uptier match. My jpz can unlock main camping once ivan rolling their t54 is3 is6 is4m to our face with spawn protection my fast reload lol pen gun can send them to see their maker, and that happened many times. What can your Jagdpanther do? What can any other german 6.3 do on same situation? You probably quit after1 or 2 death, and men like me had to fight for victory

[FD_Stalker]

Originally posted by Lucky_Star_Fan:

It starts with stock HESH which is the main reason I skipped it. Maybe I'll unlock it someday. I notice a lot of 6.3 German players only have the Tiger II(P) and leave as soon as they die in it, very sad.

I didn't even use HESH, I was using APCR until it got HEATFS. It's not painful to use since all german players are good at aimming flat area of enemy vehicles.
Edit: I just realize gaijin removed APCR from jpz45, rip for newcomer

[jaxjace]

If it had scouting we wouild play it more but its HEATFS is unreliable and its HESH even more so. There are LOTS of fast moving light tanks on the opposite side against it and you are frankly far better off in a export Walker Bulldog than it for all of those reasons. Its redundant and other vehicles do its job better. That said it IS basically a turretless ru251 with a .7 lower BR so its not UNUSABLE but its not really fun and not really meta. The Jagpanther is just far more comfortable to play, that being said, i rarely see it or any of the big german TDs very often, the Jagpanther is especially unpopular as well because of its panther transmission limiting its reverse speed which is CRIPPLING for a case mate. The Ferdi is half decent these days but people remember the horror that was its old repair cost and have put it out of their minds like the B29 even though it as well has a new reduced repair cost.
I often see Panzer IV/V 70s and Jagditigers but rarely see anyone playing the machines in between those two.

[FD_Stalker]

Originally posted by jaxjace:

If it had scouting we wouild play it more but its HEATFS is unreliable and its HESH even more so. There are LOTS of fast moving light tanks on the opposite side against it and you are frankly far better off in a export Walker Bulldog than it for all of those reasons. Its redundant and other vehicles do its job better. That said it IS basically a turretless ru251 with a .7 lower BR so its not UNUSABLE but its not really fun and not really meta. The Jagpanther is just far more comfortable to play, that being said, i rarely see it or any of the big german TDs very often, the Jagpanther is especially unpopular as well because of its panther transmission limiting its reverse speed which is CRIPPLING for a case mate. The Ferdi is half decent these days but people remember the horror that was its old repair cost and have put it out of their minds like the B29 even though it as well has a new reduced repair cost.
I often see Panzer IV/V 70s and Jagditigers but rarely see anyone playing the machines in between those two.

yeah it's unreliable against some NATO vehicles(US T series HT frontally and Britz with skirt sideway), because it's a NATO shell. But's really reliable against any other faction even including french. For ussr, it cuts through their armor like butter. It's not the question of "should I own it for fun", it's a question of "do I want to lose less"

[chimera]

Originally posted by FD_Stalker:

Originally posted by chimera:

Standard HESH round, which are the equivalent of rolling dice and then throwing the dice at another tank, 50mm of armour and you end up in the same match as the Ferdy, so you may as well go for the Ferdy.

Ferdi is compared to Jagdtiger's role and nobody should use Ferdi since it's on same br with Jagdtiger if he unlocked both

There are a dozen tanks at 7.3-8.3 which will go through the front of a jagdtiger like paper. You're better off walking.

[FD_Stalker]

Originally posted by chimera:

Originally posted by FD_Stalker:

Ferdi is compared to Jagdtiger's role and nobody should use Ferdi since it's on same br with Jagdtiger if he unlocked both

There are a dozen tanks at 7.3-8.3 which will go through the front of a jagdtiger like paper. You're better off walking.

You don't understand the role of german HEAVY TD: a road block which can punch very hard (although 128 is under-performing). My Jagdtiger often required 4-6 continuous pen from same enemy vehicle to be killed, that will buy LOT of time for my whole team at major moment, and if lucky, which happens too many times, I can still kill or survive from it. Mean while, Ferdi is good, but compare to Jagdtiger, it failed it's role. long 88 is not scary, and the armor anyone wants to have a piece of it.

Just, remember, Ferdi has a gun of 6.7 german MT... it's supposed to be a 6.3 vehicle, not 6.7

[Stellar Fox]

Originally posted by FD_Stalker:

Originally posted by chimera:

There are a dozen tanks at 7.3-8.3 which will go through the front of a jagdtiger like paper. You're better off walking.

You don't understand the role of german HEAVY TD: a road block which can punch very hard (although 128 is under-performing). My Jagdtiger often required 4-6 continuous pen from same enemy vehicle to be killed, that will buy LOT of time for my whole team at major moment, and if lucky, which happens too many times, I can still kill or survive from it. Mean while, Ferdi is good, but compare to Jagdtiger, it failed it's role. long 88 is not scary, and the armor anyone wants to have a piece of it.

ima be honest, you have never played that br if you think ferdinand is worse than jagdtiger. it is simply better for a single reason: reload speed.

tanks that will oneshot your jagdtiger will oneshot your ferdinand, and tanks that can't pen your jagdtiger won't pen your ferdinand. i have never had a match where my jagdtiger would've outperformed my ferdinand in the same situation. there is no point in having a no aim needed oneshot cannon when the ferdinands gun can shoot 5x while a jagdtiger reloads. if youre having trouble penning equivalent br tanks with 88m it's just a skill issue

[Aaron]

Originally posted by FD_Stalker:

Originally posted by Aaron:

'worthless Jagdpanther' might as well stop reading after that but im genuinely curious as to why someone in their right mind would think that the Jagdpanther is worthless when its unironically strong af and sits at 6.0

I for one don't use the Jpz 45 because it doesn't fit into my WW2 Line Up. Simple as that. Its a Post-WW2 Tank with a different design which doesn't suit into a late WW2 Line Up of Tiger II, Jagdtiger, Ferdinand, Jagdpanther etc. simple as that.

And also all of those Vehicles Germany has a extremely strong including the Jagdpanther, i see absolutely no Reason why anyone would complain about Germany Players using a specific Vehicle when all of them are strong and argueably stronger than any other Nations Vehicles. I mained Germany until Leo2A6 because i wait for it to be foldered, played China until 96A so far and now also played both USSR and Japan until late WW2 / early Cold War and Germany is stronger than all of them, not even up to debate honestly.

Because it's 6.3 lineup and you are facing 7.3 with your worthless long 88. People cry for uptier, because they never prepare for it. Good player like me will always fully enjoy a full br uptier match. My jpz can unlock main camping once ivan rolling their t54 is3 is6 is4m to our face with spawn protection my fast reload lol pen gun can send them to see their maker, and that happened many times. What can your Jagdpanther do? What can any other german 6.3 do on same situation? You probably quit after1 or 2 death, and men like me had to fight for victory

If you were a good Player you wouldn't call the Jagdpanther worthless. You can field it in a 6.0 Line Up as well...at 6.3 also its still OP. I got a Line Up just consisting of all the Panthers for 6.0 and its as strong as it gets. My 6.7 Line Up also still has the Jagdpanther in it especially since the BR Changes an Uptier shouldn't be a problem anymore.

And first you say Jagdpanther is worthless at 6.3 because of Uptier and then you say pro people like you full enjoy a full Uptier Match in the very same sentence..if you were only half as good as you claim you wouldn't call the actual strongest Vehicles for their BR worthless.