t-34 have better armor and cannon than german tiger?

[Zygmunt]

Hello there
Ive met a bug, since a week when i have returned to game met with very strange thing. t-34 were easily obliberating my german mashines while also were invuneralbe to my log 88 mm cannon. I fing it ridiculus and infruiating when t-34 is able to stop 88 panzergranate to the weakspot while also being able to penetrate tiger from the front with 57 mm cannon. Also when i play on my british tanks they die a lot. Both germans and british require only one shot to destroy simutanusly t-34 needs them at lest 2-3, top 10 to being removed from battle which is also very strage. I didnt play this game for 2 years which was enought in my opinion to fix those bugs but now im really concerned about the future. Devs should look at their competitions like armored warfare to check how tanks should be manage

[Batistas shirt]

germany suffers

[Shyue Chou]

The Tiger needs a "I WIN" button installed. As soon as an enemy is spotted, press button, and the enemy tank blows up!

[Batistas shirt]

Originally posted by Shyue Chou:

The Tiger needs a "I WIN" button installed. As soon as an enemy is spotted, press button, and the enemy tank blows up!

Tiger players finding out that they are, in fact, a tank with weaknesses instead of invulnerable machines designed by the god himself:

[luZk]

In some ways the t-34 does infact have better armour than the tiger 1 at by it beeing sloped wich causes some shells to ricochet at high angles. The germans later adopted this sloped armour technology for their later tanks like the panther and tiger 2.

[ArtemisHunt]

88 mm is nothing, if the T-34 is angled their armor can easily stop 100mm

[RafikisAntsYT]

Originally posted by ArtemisHunt:

88 mm is nothing, if the T-34 is angled their armor can easily stop 100mm

its EASILY one of the best cannons in game

[ArtemisHunt]

Originally posted by WiseOldRafiki:

Originally posted by ArtemisHunt:

88 mm is nothing, if the T-34 is angled their armor can easily stop 100mm

its EASILY one of the best cannons in game

The 85 D5-T isn't remotely one of the best guns in the game. The T-34 actually falls off in comparison to its bracket at 5.0. The Tigers don't really have "great" guns either and it's kind of a noob vehicle. The Panther is way better but armchair historians go for the Tiger thinking it's good. The issue with tigers is that their players don't use the armor effectively so you can easily disable to vehicle with aimed vitals. You only need some 100 or so to get through the driver window and if you're not hull down you're going to get rekt.

[Futuristic Hexagon]

Depends which T-34 we are talking about. The 85mm variants are well equipped to take care of tigers in situations and ranges typically seen in the game. The 57mm were also designed with penetration in mind as well, with someone around the net (likely the reddit) describing it as the sniper variant due to the high velocity and good pen of the gun (though then, post pen damage was pretty bad.)

As for the German 88mm not performing to par. I wonder what game mechanics have to do with it. Originally sloped armor would easily bounce everything with ease. Then we have relative black hole armor spots that will soak up shells like nothing, and these exist across all factions to some varying degree, with optics being a well known example. They did introduce a realshatter mechanic that is playing all sorts of chaos across all modes and branches. Rounds depending on high explosive and Fragmentation seemed to have become heavily neutered here.

[Chaoslink]

The Russian 57mm is a high velocity gun. Just because it’s a smaller caliber, that doesn’t mean it can’t penetrate well.

[HansGruber]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

The Russian 57mm is a high velocity gun. Just because it’s a smaller caliber, that doesn’t mean it can’t penetrate well.

This, the Russian 57mm should be able to punch a hole in a tiger, that's it's entire reason for existing, to kill tanks, and it was good at it. Since the Russians made ten of them, you can obviously see from those high production numbers why they are so common in War thunder.


As for the Tiger, remember that the Tiger made its name in the battles of late 1942 and through 1943.

In war thunder it primarily faces tanks made in very late 1943 to 1944.

If the Tiger was paired up against it's historical opposition that gave it it's reputation, it would be a total stompwagon without the historical weakness of limited production numbers.

Volumetric armor is poorly modeled in this arcade game and several historical armor weak points have become strong points. A great example is the T-34 drivers hatch which absorbs anything you throw at it. Despite all the autistic screeching about thickness, the real one simply did not stop incoming hits from 88mm shells even at long ranges.

[RafikisAntsYT]

Originally posted by ArtemisHunt:

Originally posted by WiseOldRafiki:

its EASILY one of the best cannons in game

The 85 D5-T isn't remotely one of the best guns in the game. The T-34 actually falls off in comparison to its bracket at 5.0. The Tigers don't really have "great" guns either and it's kind of a noob vehicle. The Panther is way better but armchair historians go for the Tiger thinking it's good. The issue with tigers is that their players don't use the armor effectively so you can easily disable to vehicle with aimed vitals. You only need some 100 or so to get through the driver window and if you're not hull down you're going to get rekt.

im literally just talking about the 88mm cannon

[ArrowViper]

Originally posted by Zygmunt:

Hello there
Ive met a bug, since a week when i have returned to game met with very strange thing. t-34 were easily obliberating my german mashines while also were invuneralbe to my log 88 mm cannon. I fing it ridiculus and infruiating when t-34 is able to stop 88 panzergranate to the weakspot while also being able to penetrate tiger from the front with 57 mm cannon. Also when i play on my british tanks they die a lot. Both germans and british require only one shot to destroy simutanusly t-34 needs them at lest 2-3, top 10 to being removed from battle which is also very strage. I didnt play this game for 2 years which was enought in my opinion to fix those bugs but now im really concerned about the future. Devs should look at their competitions like armored warfare to check how tanks should be manage

Sounds like classic german player cry and skill issue, COPE. German tanks are hilarious level OP and their BRs are too low for years.

[Serano E'Stabant]

What about movement speed, weight and momentum? Tiger 1 is accelerating quite fast. On the other hand good luck trying to reach 60 km/h with any T-34 variant, even on road.

[Zygmunt]

Originally posted by ArrowViper:

Originally posted by ArrowViper:

Sounds like classic german player cry and skill issue, COPE. German tanks are hilarious level OP and their BRs are too low for years.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, im playing since 2013 ang germans never were OP, quite the opposite, they keep dying to one shots and had to take severl hits to destroy t-34, think before you talk. Anyway i dunno how can it be skill issue when im dying to one shot, can i somehow turn it off? No! then stfu about skill

[Kay]

Originally posted by Zygmunt:

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, im playing since 2013 ang germans never were OP, quite the opposite, they keep dying to one shots and had to take severl hits to destroy t-34, think before you talk. Anyway i dunno how can it be skill issue when im dying to one shot, can i somehow turn it off? No! then stfu about skill

If you aren't able to one-shot T-34s with the short 88mm KwK 36 on the Tiger I (the long 88mm is the KwK 43 on the Tiger II) that is definitely a skill issue. They're extremely easy to kill if you aren't aiming for, say, the specifically thickened driver's hatch or weird angles on the edge of the MG port.

The Tiger's armour also takes skill and experience to get the most out of, knowing what you can and cannot survive and how best to angle your armour to deflect shots