Whats the conditions for "Shell Shattered"?

[def.]

It happens very very rarely, and i still don't know how or why

[RollClassic]

It happens rarely? APDS shells will shatter on any slight angle.

Test 105APDS from the Leopard 1 or OF-40 vs the Tam 2IP armor, even though the tank only has what, 30mm of armor or some ♥♥♥♥? It has about 80% of the front that will auto shatter 105mm APDS rounds.

Anything slightly angled or rounded (Russian) will tend to shatter APDS constantly. This isn't realistic or anything, Gaijin just really, really hates its player base and wants you to pay for premiums and to skip stock APDS/HEATFS grinds with gold.

[Hydra]

The really funny part is if u test the Conqueror APDS on a Leopard 1 mantel, no way in hell that flimsy double armor layer would stop Conqueror APDS in real life.

[Lucky_Star_Fan]

Check the 60 degree angle penetration of APDS. Shell shatter usually happens because you shoot APDS at a steeply angled plate. The APDS is a small projectile, can;t dig into the sloped plate and is destroyed.

[Spades]

Originally posted by Lucky_Star_Fan:

Check the 60 degree angle penetration of APDS. Shell shatter usually happens because you shoot APDS at a steeply angled plate. The APDS is a small projectile, can;t dig into the sloped plate and is destroyed.

I still digs, it just doesn't "Bite"... a reasonably size round will dig through light armor even shattered. there are tons of simulations of this

[Blamite Delight]

Originally posted by Spades:

Originally posted by Lucky_Star_Fan:

Check the 60 degree angle penetration of APDS. Shell shatter usually happens because you shoot APDS at a steeply angled plate. The APDS is a small projectile, can;t dig into the sloped plate and is destroyed.

I still digs, it just doesn't "Bite"... a reasonably size round will dig through light armor even shattered. there are tons of simulations of this

except gaijin doesn't model this in game, so it just simply gets labled as a "non pen" or "shatter"

[OtherACTION]

I honestly have never experienced a shell shatter happening to me in this game ever, APDS has always wither penned or bounced, but never shattered

[Spades]

Originally posted by Blamite Delight:

Originally posted by Spades:

I still digs, it just doesn't "Bite"... a reasonably size round will dig through light armor even shattered. there are tons of simulations of this

except gaijin doesn't model this in game, so it just simply gets labled as a "non pen" or "shatter"

Yes, its silly, and needs a solution.

Otherwise we'll continue to see AMX-50 Sur 120mm monster high velocity shell boop the turret cheeks of a early leo with zero damage.

[Hydra]

Originally posted by OtherACTION:

I honestly have never experienced a shell shatter happening to me in this game ever, APDS has always wither penned or bounced, but never shattered

Fight against leopard I with an APDS tank lower than Br 8.0 and you will experience it within the first couple hours I promise you. Hell fire ANY APDS from lower than 8.0 into a Leopard 1 mantle in armor viewer even and you will see the issue.

[Spades]

Originally posted by Spades:

Originally posted by Blamite Delight:

except gaijin doesn't model this in game, so it just simply gets labled as a "non pen" or "shatter"

Yes, its silly, and needs a solution.

Otherwise we'll continue to see AMX-50 Sur 120mm monster high velocity shell boop the turret cheeks of a early leo with zero damage.

maybe introduce an over-match mechanic.... the sheer weight and speed of that 120mm solid would not care about the angle of a 15-30mm plate.

[TUNA!]

The conditions for shell shatter is making the mistake of using shells that shatter and hoping for 0° angles to not murder you.

[Spades]

Hell a 120mm vs even a 100mm plate at 65+ degrees won't bite, and technically does shatter and redirect.... but the vast majority of that plate ends up inside the fighting compartment.