'Bushes arent P2W'

[SadlyItsDaniel]

So bushes dissapear at ranges which exceed the normal combat range

Cover your whole tank and are barely available today for free and cost money

MASK you in EVERY terrain no matter the map.

im waiting for the salty wallet warriors to go moaning how it isnt a p2w feature

[dan]

Skill issue

[SadlyItsDaniel]

Originally posted by dan:

Skill issue

Keep whining that when you get killed by a tank with bushes that you couldnt even see

[dan]

Originally posted by SadlyItsDaniel:

Originally posted by dan:

Skill issue

Keep whining that when you get killed by a tank with bushes that you couldnt even see

Get your eyes checked

[SadlyItsDaniel]

Originally posted by dan:

Originally posted by SadlyItsDaniel:

Keep whining that when you get killed by a tank with bushes that you couldnt even see

Get your eyes checked

Get your skills checked

[Wandering Flare]

To be fair, bushes make you stick out more in urban, snow and desert maps.

That said, while they are not going to completely hide a tank - unless it's a tiny one - they do have an effect of delaying one's response because they add a step to recognizing the threat, i.e. that it is indeed a threat and not a bunch of bushes, to the reaction time, in which the bushed tank can fire before the one looking at it. On some tanks they are also great for hiding weak spots, as you can pretty much make yourself indistinguishable from the front and cover your shape, like for example a Jumbo becoming extremely tough to tell apart from a regular Sherman when all you can see is the cannon sticking out.

[Daku]

I mean I got all my bushes for free in the warbond shop, and give me camo nets and id be happy it be less effective and look way better

[Pec]

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

To be fair, bushes make you stick out more in urban, snow and desert maps.

That said, while they are not going to completely hide a tank - unless it's a tiny one - they do have an effect of delaying one's response because they add a step to recognizing the threat, i.e. that it is indeed a threat and not a bunch of bushes, to the reaction time, in which the bushed tank can fire before the one looking at it. On some tanks they are also great for hiding weak spots, as you can pretty much make yourself indistinguishable from the front and cover your shape, like for example a Jumbo becoming extremely tough to tell apart from a regular Sherman when all you can see is the cannon sticking out.

That mosty sums it up but some minor corrections bushes adapt to the map environment eg snow/sand so when you get to the front line they largely blend in well enough also another benefit is the human brain draws attention to clear outlined shapes so a tank covered in bushes will have its shape broken up so you are also less likely to subconsciously realise somethings wrong

[JuX]

You also have small vehicles like R3, Wiesel, M50 that can be completely covered up in bushes.

[Just Terrible Gameplay]

Bushes are P2W and if anyone says otherwise they're bad at the game

[Shyue Chou]

It's not.

[JuX]

Originally posted by Just Terrible Gameplay:

Bushes are P2W and if anyone says otherwise they're bad at the game

Or simply using ESP cheats.

[YaBoiBeanz]

I love the concept of covering your tank to disguise it, as that actually happens/ed, but yeah, having these bushes that don't fall off your tank no matter what is just weird.

[-reno-FR-]

Originally posted by SadlyItsDaniel:

(...)
Cover your whole tank and are barely available today for free and cost money

MASK you in EVERY terrain no matter the map.

(...)

1- A big tank can't be covered sufficiently with bushes.

2- A Bush on a vehicule on a Desert Map, it will be strange.
If you are fooled by a Tempered climate Bush on another kind of biome, you suffer some ignorance & skill issue.

3- Nearly all the maps have vegetation, so you have an huge amount of "free" bushes everywhere.
If you are not able to use the terrain at your advantage, well, skill issue.

4- Having bushes on small vehicules, I can understand it will bring an hard time.
But usually, if you have seen the Kill Cam properly, you will see what kind of vehicule killed you & what kind of bushes are on it, so it will make its identification (& obliteration) easier at your next spawn.
But the advantage for the ennemy vanishes as soon as he begins to move : personnally, I always found suspect a moving bush.


You seem young.

You seem to not have gone to the military service or enlisted at all IRL.

So, I can understand that you are pretty ignorant on how works a camo & how to deal with it.

Bushes are just ONE little part of the art of a good camo.

FOMECBLOT (in french, I will add translations)

- Forme (Form) : you want to break the artificial form of your vehicule, here the bushes may help you. IRL, the colors selected for the camo pattern has that purpose : breaking artificial rectilines forms by adding curvy lines.

- Ombre (Shadow) : you have to move into shadows, to be the more invisible possible.
Shadows are better than any vegetation, but I understand that vegetation can complete the hidden processus.

- Mouvement (Movement) : as soon as you move, you are easily detected. So chose carrefully the moment you want to move to another spot. Bushes, here, will be no help : a moving bush is always suspect.

- Eclat (Spark) : with the sun, any metal surface is easily detected, so usually we try to avoid the sun at all.
IRl, if you wear a watch, carefull about the components : black plastic is better than a chrome pattern.

- Couleurs (Colors) : that's why you have selected colors for camos, usually not pink & yellow fluo ones.
When I see some players with flashing lights & highly visible colors, well, they chose their fate & cannot incriminate ennemies using bushes.
Skill & intelligence issue.

- Bruit (Noise) : How many times did I blasted an ennemy too loud?
People must learn to move & also to stop & listen their environnement.
That's why sometimes I stay without moving, even turning off my own engine.
And having some drastically idiots in your team spamming fire to nowhere, it will not help you (& them) to listen the real danger.
Also to identify the danger.
And even more : a spamming shots idiot will give extra infos of the listening ennemies, like where they are, where they are moving to & what kind of vehicules they are using.

- Lumière (Light) : it's a cousin of the Shadow/Ombre, well, you try to avoid any movement on a clear light.
Also, the sun is an advantage if you have it on your own back.
And it sucks if you are on the wrong side, he he he.

- Odeur (Smell) : well, that point you will not have it ingame, he he he.
But IRL, it's better to really stink the nature than the Channel N°5
I dont think I have really to explain why.

- Terrain (Terrain ^^) : using the terrain to move is really a sign of high intelligence & wise sense of strategy / tactic.
Moving on a flat & opened terrain, meh.....
Moving right on the top of the top of the hill, meh again.....
You must use all the terrain profil to hide the most possible your own tank profile.
Here, bushes can help but also can doom your fate : too many people are too much confident into their bushes & will move "thinking they are totally invisible & not taking into consideration all my previous points".
So, they die.
Skill issue in those "bushes too confident players".


All what I explained here, for you & for all the detractors of "bushes" have one single objective :

---> Bushes will grant an advantage, of course, I do not deny it.
BUT, this advantage is only one little part of a most global melting pot of others elements any player will have to take into consideration.
And all those other elements have more impact than they could imagine.

Focusing on "bushes" will make things harder for detractors, because they will spend more energy to complain than to "upgrade" their own skills.

Personnally, i do not count anymore how many times I destroyed Bushes Tanks because their Bushes patterns were not adapted to the battle environnement, aswell as because they thought it was a kind of invisible ring.

[Bibliophylax]

they are at some point....

Don't you guys never met a jumbo with bushes on the machin gun hull ? or on the turrets cheeks ? well some people understood the stealth power is not so much and then put it on weak spot to make your life harder.
There are many other reason but this one is the most relevant one imo.

Also with a premium sub you can change the color of the tank, and some people disguised in destroyed vehicles in the past...
sooo...

[Cha Cha Real Rough]

I love watching the bushed up locust absolutely decimate someone, they should more camo nets to the game too