F-14B with AIM-54C?!?!

[Un]

Give the Russians MiG-31 with R-37 then.

[JuX]

If we learned anything from AIM-54A. It's going to mediocre missile at best. And you think it warrants a new jet?

Main change about the F-14 will be capable to compete with MIG-29 and F-16. With better performance and IR missiles that can dogfight.

[Futuristic Hexagon]

Originally posted by JuX:

If we learned anything from AIM-54A. It's going to mediocre missile at best. And you think it warrants a new jet?

Main change about the F-14 will be capable to compete with MIG-29 and F-16. With better performance and IR missiles that can dogfight.

The C seems to have a better ability to filter ground clutter.

I myself fear it could make things a little harder for 11.0s who seem to only see slight downtiers or hard uptiers. Of course even then notching a radar is still a thing.

[JuX]

Originally posted by Futuristic Hexagon:

Originally posted by JuX:

If we learned anything from AIM-54A. It's going to mediocre missile at best. And you think it warrants a new jet?

Main change about the F-14 will be capable to compete with MIG-29 and F-16. With better performance and IR missiles that can dogfight.

The C seems to have a better ability to filter ground clutter.

I myself fear it could make things a little harder for 11.0s who seem to only see slight downtiers or hard uptiers. Of course even then notching a radar is still a thing.

If that is the case, then it's worthless upgrade over the AIM-54A.

[Futuristic Hexagon]

Originally posted by JuX:

Originally posted by Futuristic Hexagon:

The C seems to have a better ability to filter ground clutter.

I myself fear it could make things a little harder for 11.0s who seem to only see slight downtiers or hard uptiers. Of course even then notching a radar is still a thing.

If that is the case, then it's worthless upgrade over the AIM-54A.

Could be. It'd hard to really say as Gaijin is always playing with radar effectiveness ans effectivness of radar guided equipment.

One patch it can see everything in a search mode, next path it can barely see a group of team mates 5km in front.

[Eftwyrd]

People jerk off about aim54s and their range is certainly attractive, but fundamentally they were intended to kill soviet bombers before they could launch anti ship missiles against the f14s fleet. A tu95 loaded down with 8 kh55s is far less likely to be able to react to and evade a missile at that range than a fighter

[W-I-L-D W-E-A-S-E-L]

People seem to forget its impossible to see the AIM54C coming, its engine is smokeless, if an F14B player launches one at high alt and high speed you will not be able to dodge it when it finally goes into dogfight mode.

[DrunkenTee]

Originally posted by ctompkin7:

People seem to forget its impossible to see the AIM54C coming, its engine is smokeless, if an F14B player launches one at high alt and high speed you will not be able to dodge it when it finally goes into dogfight mode.

Just that you are wrong because 99% of Tomcat Pilots immediately climb up to 5000m Altitude and launch ALL of their Phoenix to then go rearm. They may as well be creating new clouds at that point, if you cant see them coming, you should visit a doctor to get your eyes checked or maybe stop playing at 800x600

[WeebLord69]

Originally posted by JuX:

If we learned anything from AIM-54A. It's going to mediocre missile at best. And you think it warrants a new jet?

Main change about the F-14 will be capable to compete with MIG-29 and F-16. With better performance and IR missiles that can dogfight.

in the new HUGE maps phoenix is actually very good.

[Ihatetrainyards]

Originally posted by DrunkenTee:

Originally posted by ctompkin7:

People seem to forget its impossible to see the AIM54C coming, its engine is smokeless, if an F14B player launches one at high alt and high speed you will not be able to dodge it when it finally goes into dogfight mode.

Just that you are wrong because 99% of Tomcat Pilots immediately climb up to 5000m Altitude and launch ALL of their Phoenix to then go rearm. They may as well be creating new clouds at that point, if you cant see them coming, you should visit a doctor to get your eyes checked or maybe stop playing at 800x600

There's a problem with your argument though.. this is 2023 and not 2022, no one does that anymore.

[DrunkenTee]

Originally posted by Ihatetrainyards:

Originally posted by DrunkenTee:

Just that you are wrong because 99% of Tomcat Pilots immediately climb up to 5000m Altitude and launch ALL of their Phoenix to then go rearm. They may as well be creating new clouds at that point, if you cant see them coming, you should visit a doctor to get your eyes checked or maybe stop playing at 800x600

There's a problem with your argument though.. this is 2023 and not 2022, no one does that anymore.

You are wrong. This is literally last match.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2972457842

[Ihatetrainyards]

Originally posted by DrunkenTee:

Originally posted by Ihatetrainyards:

There's a problem with your argument though.. this is 2023 and not 2022, no one does that anymore.

You are wrong. This is literally last match.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2972457842

I don't see anyone landing on the airfield to rearm and repeat.

[DrunkenTee]

Originally posted by Ihatetrainyards:

Originally posted by DrunkenTee:

You are wrong. This is literally last match.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2972457842

I don't see anyone landing on the airfield to rearm and repeat.

One of them didnt, the rest did :)

[W-I-L-D W-E-A-S-E-L]

Originally posted by DrunkenTee:

Originally posted by ctompkin7:

People seem to forget its impossible to see the AIM54C coming, its engine is smokeless, if an F14B player launches one at high alt and high speed you will not be able to dodge it when it finally goes into dogfight mode.

Just that you are wrong because 99% of Tomcat Pilots immediately climb up to 5000m Altitude and launch ALL of their Phoenix to then go rearm. They may as well be creating new clouds at that point, if you cant see them coming, you should visit a doctor to get your eyes checked or maybe stop playing at 800x600

From my perspective, being an F14 pilot. if you launch a pheonix right, its hard to dodge. And you say "cant see them coming" Did you read what i said? there SMOKELESS there impossible to see until they go dogfight. SMOKELESS MEANS THEY WONT GENERATE SMOKE TRAILS BEHIND THEM.

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by ctompkin7:

Originally posted by DrunkenTee:

Just that you are wrong because 99% of Tomcat Pilots immediately climb up to 5000m Altitude and launch ALL of their Phoenix to then go rearm. They may as well be creating new clouds at that point, if you cant see them coming, you should visit a doctor to get your eyes checked or maybe stop playing at 800x600

From my perspective, being an F14 pilot. if you launch a pheonix right, it’s hard to dodge. And you say "cant see them coming" Did you read what i said? there SMOKELESS there impossible to see until they go dogfight. SMOKELESS MEANS THEY WONT GENERATE SMOKE TRAILS BEHIND THEM.

Do radar warning receivers not exist in your world? you don’t ‘see’ a missile launch from 50+ km away, alarms go off and you notch immediately. If you are waiting for visual you are already dead

[W-I-L-D W-E-A-S-E-L]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Originally posted by ctompkin7:

From my perspective, being an F14 pilot. if you launch a pheonix right, it’s hard to dodge. And you say "cant see them coming" Did you read what i said? there SMOKELESS there impossible to see until they go dogfight. SMOKELESS MEANS THEY WONT GENERATE SMOKE TRAILS BEHIND THEM.

Do radar warning receivers not exist in your world? you don’t ‘see’ a missile launch from 50+ km away, alarms go off and you notch immediately. If you are waiting for visual you are already dead

The AIM54C is a fox 3 they wont lock you until there closer then 10 KM, you wont receive a lock until its to late