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..Da fugg?? Did they go in the wrong direction or something? Like a negative instead of a positive...? Bad decimal? This is wild. Am i missing something.. or something?

[Wagon Wheel]

Originally posted by The_Keeks:

..Da fugg?? Did they go in the wrong direction or something? Like a negative instead of a positive...? Bad decimal? This is wild. Am i missing something.. or something?

Why do you seem suprised?

[Mac]

Played 2x rank III matches today. I personally didn't notice any difference. If they had not announced this huge economic overall then I would not have even realized that anything changed at all.

Yesterday I made like 20k SL in one match and 70k SL in the other match and today I made 33k SL in one match and like 40k SL in the other.

I think overall these changes were mostly aimed at the higher ranks where vehicles became unsustainable to play so you will probably have to play like rank V+ to notice a big difference.

[Bu3(SW)]

Originally posted by Mac:

Played 2x rank III matches today. I personally didn't notice any difference. If they had not announced this huge economic overall then I would not have even realized that anything changed at all.

Yesterday I made like 20k SL in one match and 70k SL in the other match and today I made 33k SL in one match and like 40k SL in the other.

I think overall these changes were mostly aimed at the higher ranks where vehicles became unsustainable to play so you will probably have to play like rank V+ to notice a big difference.

For some nations the economy was not bad (depending on BR) other nations will notice this update a lot more because their trees were nearly completely unplayable.

[pathi]

Tried a few different Planes in Air RB Battles. Its still nearly impossible to keep a positive sl balance with average outcomes, as long as you dont use premium (Account or vehicle)
You still need to use the "good" sl vehicles to farm engough sl to play the vehicles you wont to fly. The some Sh*t as before.
Gaijn hasnt understood anything or they dont care.
Surely wont change my review and from the numbers on the Store Page nearly nobody seems to do it.

[Mac]

Originally posted by Abinadi:

For some nations the economy was not bad (depending on BR) other nations will notice this update a lot more because their trees were nearly completely unplayable.

After you mentioned that I had to go check if the same vehicles with the same rank on different nations still have different repair costs and sadly they still do...

That's actually really sad. I thought they wanted to bring everything in line in regards to costs and now here we are still with vastly different repair costs for virtually the same vehicles.

There really is no reason and I mean no reason at all for this to still be a thing. Why Gaijin?

[Boii Fan]

example: japan's tier 2 bombers, the naval ones, went in AB from all being 0.2 to being 0.7 . Italy's tier IV planes almost ALL were hovering around 5-8K at AB. now its 2.2-3.5k . Most jets that were at tier V like the migs and the yaks are now at least 1k SL cheaper . The paper with the changes is still accessible. You can check what went down and which SL modifiers went up or down. IF affected all premiums too.

[CyberStonka]

Originally posted by Mac:

There really is no reason and I mean no reason at all for this to still be a thing. Why Gaijin?

I am sure we already explained it earlier. It's because same vehicle often are placed in different position in tech tree.
In WT you have three positions in tech tree rank = entry, middle and top (in each rank) vehicle. And this affect costs (research, repair).
You need to spend (random) 1000RP to unlock entry XYZ from rank IV in ABC, but you need to spend (random) 1200RP to unlock "same" XYZ but placed in middle of the rank IV in DEF tech tree.

[Albioff]

Originally posted by Mac:

Originally posted by Abinadi:

For some nations the economy was not bad (depending on BR) other nations will notice this update a lot more because their trees were nearly completely unplayable.

After you mentioned that I had to go check if the same vehicles with the same rank on different nations still have different repair costs and sadly they still do...

That's actually really sad. I thought they wanted to bring everything in line in regards to costs and now here we are still with vastly different repair costs for virtually the same vehicles.

There really is no reason and I mean no reason at all for this to still be a thing. Why Gaijin?

Because they can't listen and are way to greedy. Some things never change.

[pathi]

It just nearly didnt change at all. They tweeked some numbers a little bit and the fanboys started cheering.
But overall for most of the vehicles its just still a pain to earn sl.
And judging by the not changing reviews, most of the players think the same. Wont change mine either bevore they make significant changes.

[Mac]

Originally posted by CyberStonka:

Originally posted by Mac:

There really is no reason and I mean no reason at all for this to still be a thing. Why Gaijin?

I am sure we already explained it earlier. It's because same vehicle often are placed in different position in tech tree.
In WT you have three positions in tech tree rank = entry, middle and top (in each rank) vehicle. And this affect costs (research, repair).
You need to spend (random) 1000RP to unlock entry XYZ from rank IV in ABC, but you need to spend (random) 1200RP to unlock "same" XYZ but placed in middle of the rank IV in DEF tech tree.

I was talking about SL repair costs in particular and not RP.

The Japanese Ki-44-II hei still costs more to repair than the Chinese Ki-44-II hei despite them being in the same rank and same BR.

Italian BF 109 F-4 costs less to repair than either of the German BF 109 F-4.

Why does the EXACT SAME vehicle in the EXACT SAME BR with the EXACT SAME RANK have DIFFERENT SL repair costs depending on whether it is in the Japanese, Chinese, Italian or German tree.

What is the reasoning behind that?

[Alider]

Originally posted by Mac:

Originally posted by CyberStonka:

I am sure we already explained it earlier. It's because same vehicle often are placed in different position in tech tree.
In WT you have three positions in tech tree rank = entry, middle and top (in each rank) vehicle. And this affect costs (research, repair).
You need to spend (random) 1000RP to unlock entry XYZ from rank IV in ABC, but you need to spend (random) 1200RP to unlock "same" XYZ but placed in middle of the rank IV in DEF tech tree.

I was talking about SL repair costs in particular and not RP.

The Japanese Ki-44-II hei still costs more to repair than the Chinese Ki-44-II hei despite them being in the same rank and same BR.

Italian BF 109 F-4 costs less to repair than either of the German BF 109 F-4.

Why does the EXACT SAME vehicle in the EXACT SAME BR with the EXACT SAME RANK have DIFFERENT SL repair costs depending on whether it is in the Japanese, Chinese, Italian or German tree.

What is the reasoning behind that?

Does it even matter if the repair cost is 1k or 1.5k? Japanese also earns 1.5x more.
italian BF 109 is a premium, premiums have lower repair cost.

[Mac]

Upon reading that response again... do they really price things like this now....
"this is first row, first coloum 500 SL."
"this is first row, second colomn 600 SL."
"this is first row, third colomn 700 SL."

If that is the case then I wonder why first of all you had to type this HUGE table with all the changes in repair cost when you could have just released a general template table which lists the cost for a vehicle depending on its position in the tech tree. That would have been so much easier and less confusing instead of listing the individual price for every single vehicle.

Secondly if I did understand this correctly then I personally think this is a really bad system because the same vehicle should cost the same amount to repair regardless of where it sits on a tech tree. I can understand that maybe if you have a minor nation tree you could make it cost less RP to research but the REPAIR COST should still be the same regardless. A vehicle repair cost should be completely independant from where it sits on a tech tree on the different nations.

[Mac]

Originally posted by Alider:

Does it even matter if the repair cost is 1k or 1.5k? Japanese also earns 1.5x more.
italian BF 109 is a premium, premiums have lower repair cost.

I do think it matters because this is how we ended up in this mess in the first place.

Either you have a fixed set of rules that apply equally or you have absolute chaos in pricing and stuff which is probably how we ended up with players being unable to run Japanese lineups while they were making profits on the same vehicles in Chinese lineups over time.

One of these rules in my opinion should be SAME VEHICLE = SAME COST. Why wouldn't that be the case? I see no reason why a vehicle should not cost the same regardless of which nation you are playing it on.

Also since you mentioned premiums. I also think the premium versions should have THE SAME REPAIR COST. Since it is a premium you can increase the REWARDS for it sure but keep the repair cost the same.

[Mac]

Funny thing by the way...

Ki-84 ko (China, premium, arcade) = 5.7 BR
Ki-84 ko (Japan, arcade) = 6.0 BR

I guess premium vehicles also come with lower BR ratings, eh? Haha

You see this is exactly what I am talking about... if you don't have fixed rules that make sense and instead just yolo it you constantly have stuff like this happening.

This isn't the first time this happened either.

Same vehicle... sitting at different BRs... how do you explain that again? Is that also because they are "at different positions on the tech tree"? xD

[Das Trojanische Pferd]

they made ingame awards pay almost nothing last game i had like 5 medals after the game that came to around 250sl rly not worth caring about your teammates when you get almost nothing for helping your team and driving into danger