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they refuse to remove repair costs
guys. im looking at the roadmap and if the game changed for the better,
by the look of it, they want to keep the repair costs in the game and work around there to drain your lions and keep you grinding.

they also censoring their bad reviews on their greed by hiding the recent reviews... wth man
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♥♥♥♥ off, mate. Repair costs are not a problem, and if you actually read it you'd see they're working on things to make it easier to manage. The reviews are hidden for being offtopic, which many were. Some aren't, but that's just the way steam's system works presently.
Bu3(SW) Jun 20, 2023 @ 1:35am 
Originally posted by Putti le ChiisPuff:
they also censoring their bad reviews on their greed by hiding the recent reviews... wth man
Stop spreading lies, Steam is culling reviews not Gaijin. So I reported this for spreading lies.

Also they are making massive changes to the economy. So put in your feedback and vote and aside from that just see how it works out.

Also removing repair costs completely would ruin the game and the player base would shrink fast and the game would die.
Akagi Jun 20, 2023 @ 1:52am 
Repair costs are not gonna be removed removed but in many cases lowered and or are having higher SL multipliers. Did you even look at the table they linked in their post?
Putti Stressball Jun 20, 2023 @ 2:01am 
Originally posted by Akagi:
Repair costs are not gonna be removed removed but in many cases lowered and or are having higher SL multipliers. Did you even look at the table they linked in their post?

yes i checked how they lowered the cost by 8% and up to 28% on lowest rank vehicles.
that does not change things as how i see it.

they still does not want to get rid of the repairs and focus the economy elsewhere
Last edited by Putti Stressball; Jun 20, 2023 @ 2:02am
Bu3(SW) Jun 20, 2023 @ 2:03am 
Originally posted by Putti le ChiisPuff:
Originally posted by Akagi:
Repair costs are not gonna be removed removed but in many cases lowered and or are having higher SL multipliers. Did you even look at the table they linked in their post?

yes i checked how they lowered the cost by 8% and up to 28% on lowest rank vehicles.
that does not change things as how i see it.

they still does not want to ger rid of the repairs and focus the economy elsewhere
Becasue it would ruin the game. They actually do not just plan to lower most repair costs but they also are going to make repair cost dynamic.
Putti Stressball Jun 20, 2023 @ 2:04am 
Originally posted by Abinadi:
Originally posted by Putti le ChiisPuff:

yes i checked how they lowered the cost by 8% and up to 28% on lowest rank vehicles.
that does not change things as how i see it.

they still does not want to ger rid of the repairs and focus the economy elsewhere
Becasue it would ruin the game. They actually do not just plan to lower most repair costs but they also are going to make repair cost dynamic.

give me details how it would ruin the game then
Bu3(SW) Jun 20, 2023 @ 2:17am 
Originally posted by Putti le ChiisPuff:
Originally posted by Abinadi:
Becasue it would ruin the game. They actually do not just plan to lower most repair costs but they also are going to make repair cost dynamic.

give me details how it would ruin the game then
It would remove the primary element driving the need to earn while succeeding instead of just playing a match and always earning.

Removing repair costs would also increase botting substantially because nobody would have to play. They would just spawn in and get free sl for when they win with no risk/reward.

"Risk and reward: The concept of risk and reward refers to the idea that players should be rewarded for taking risks and making bold moves, but also face consequences for failing. In game design, risk and reward can be balanced in a number of ways, such as by offering players a large reward for taking a high-risk action but also imposing a high penalty for failure, or by offering a smaller reward for a lower-risk action with a lower penalty for failure. The risk and reward balance can influence player behavior and decision-making in a game, as players weigh the potential risks and rewards of different actions."

https://soundand.design/trade-offs-dilemmas-sacrifices-risk-reward-46acd014e435

I was an admin for some games not owned by Gaijin that in one of them lost a massive player base after making the game too easy by changing a similar dynamic that made it trivial to obtain an item in the game that was previously difficult. There was an initial surge where people rushed to get that item then after that they lost about 80% of the player base completely and they never recovered.

When balancing risk reward if you mistep it will ruin the game and water down the brand. This is likely why even though the economy changes proposed are not really good enough Gaijin is taking it slow. It is better to have to adjust it again than to be too liberal.

So could a game similar to WarThunder work without a repair system? Sure, not however years after release where that system has become a fundamental element in the game and also without massive testing to see how an alternative system might work.

In the current iteration of War Thunder there is NO WAY they can remove repair costs without destroying the game.
Putti Stressball Jun 20, 2023 @ 2:26am 
Originally posted by Abinadi:
Originally posted by Putti le ChiisPuff:

give me details how it would ruin the game then
It would remove the primary element driving the need to earn while succeeding instead of just playing a match and always earning.

Removing repair costs would also increase botting substantially because nobody would have to play. They would just spawn in and get free sl for when they win with no risk/reward.

In the current iteration of War Thunder there is NO WAY they can remove repair costs without destroying the game.

1. you pay for a vehicle
2. you pay for the crew to be able to use the vehicle
3. both are expensive
4. there are minor payments on the side like ammo and other stuff.
5. you can also ace the crew that almost cost as much as the vehicle

and you mean to tell me that repair costs is the fun part of the game and the only reason people are playing here?

i have to quit playing cause all my vehicles are red and have to wait days for the repairs.
repair costs ensure that if i have a bad match and bad team, i must pay extra to get them repaired for another match.

its frustrating and not what you would define as "fun"

and no its not to keep people playing the game, its to pressure them to spend real money monthly to get enough to both repair and continue playing
Last edited by Putti Stressball; Jun 20, 2023 @ 2:30am
Bu3(SW) Jun 20, 2023 @ 2:30am 
Originally posted by Putti le ChiisPuff:
Originally posted by Abinadi:
It would remove the primary element driving the need to earn while succeeding instead of just playing a match and always earning.

Removing repair costs would also increase botting substantially because nobody would have to play. They would just spawn in and get free sl for when they win with no risk/reward.

In the current iteration of War Thunder there is NO WAY they can remove repair costs without destroying the game.

1. you pay for a vehicle
2. you pay for the crew to be able to use the vehicle
3. both are expensive
4. there are minor payments on the side like ammo and other stuff.

and you mean to tell me that repair costs is the fun part of the game and the only reason people are playing here?

i have to quit playing cause all my vehicles are red and have to wait days for the repairs.
repair costs ensure that if i have a bad match and bad team, i must pay extra to get them repaired for another match.

its frustrating and not what you would define as "fun"
Nope I never said paying to repair a vehicle is fun. I said it is part of the risk reward. Ammo costs have nothing at all to do with risk/reward. The ammo is used when you shoot and not when you die or win.

Lets use Super Mario Brothers as an example. You die in Mario and that is part of the risk right. Well you die in War Thunder and that is part of the risk. What happens as a result in Mario when you die is you lose a life. That is part of your risk.reward. In War Thunder your penalty for dying is having to repair and to pay for that.
nosh Jun 20, 2023 @ 4:11am 
Originally posted by Fluffy Bucketless Pocket Dragon:
♥♥♥♥ off, mate. Repair costs are not a problem, and if you actually read it you'd see they're working on things to make it easier to manage. The reviews are hidden for being offtopic, which many were. Some aren't, but that's just the way steam's system works presently.

Repaircost are a major problem for the gameplay.
Originally posted by Abinadi:
Originally posted by Putti le ChiisPuff:
they also censoring their bad reviews on their greed by hiding the recent reviews... wth man
Stop spreading lies, Steam is culling reviews not Gaijin. So I reported this for spreading lies.

Also they are making massive changes to the economy. So put in your feedback and vote and aside from that just see how it works out.

Also removing repair costs completely would ruin the game and the player base would shrink fast and the game would die.

Steam only culls reviewed when specifically asked to by the developer.
Bu3(SW) Jun 20, 2023 @ 4:19am 
Originally posted by Underprivileged White Male:
Originally posted by Abinadi:
Stop spreading lies, Steam is culling reviews not Gaijin. So I reported this for spreading lies.

Also they are making massive changes to the economy. So put in your feedback and vote and aside from that just see how it works out.

Also removing repair costs completely would ruin the game and the player base would shrink fast and the game would die.

Steam only culls reviewed when specifically asked to by the developer.
This is not true and steam culls automatically. It is controlled by an algorithm that responds to review bombs.
Last edited by Bu3(SW); Jun 20, 2023 @ 4:19am
pathi Jun 20, 2023 @ 4:25am 
Originally posted by Abinadi:
Originally posted by Underprivileged White Male:

Steam only culls reviewed when specifically asked to by the developer.
This is not true and steam culls automatically. It is controlled by an algorithm that responds to review bombs.

Just not true. Without the developers wanting it it isnt happening. But of course Gaijin are to afraid to admit that, so they are hiding behind steam.
Bu3(SW) Jun 20, 2023 @ 4:29am 
Originally posted by pathi:
Originally posted by Abinadi:
This is not true and steam culls automatically. It is controlled by an algorithm that responds to review bombs.

Just not true. Without the developers wanting it it isnt happening. But of course Gaijin are to afraid to admit that, so they are hiding behind steam.

You have no data to support this false claim yet Valve has come out in several interviews to say they are stopping review bombs. This is not something Gaijin has done or requested so drop the false charades.

By carrying on with this nonsense lying all the time and throwing tantrums defaming Gaijin you make it harder to address issues because you fill the forums with nonsense and unsubstantiated claims. You also incite others with this bogus claims.
pathi Jun 20, 2023 @ 4:30am 
They dont really want to change anything. All the posts they made, primarily said, we are doing everything perfectly and our data is conforming that. Of course nobody can check this data so you better believe them, that you are the only one, grinding like hell to even repair your vehicles without premium.
And the new changes are just little adjustments according to their Data, that again, nobody can coutnercheck.
And so nothing will change, this game stays the crappy grindfest it has become over the years.
And i dont believe this game will exist very much longer. The steam Reviews do impact their customer aquesition and in a few years their customer base will be low enough that its over.
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