SEP Useless

[Bender Rodríguez]

I've been trying to play the M1A2 SEP without getting completely BS killed and tbh every other Abrams i'm playing is completely fine but the SEP is completely useless and that's a problem

[Neckstabba]

Abrooms best. Freedom goes brrrrt.

Note to self: Dont use the TUSK mod. You are easier spotted and an HE to the bird cage is a quick and uneventful way to die. Also less weight = more speed.

[legaroojack]

Its literally the M1A2 but better so I dont see the problem.

[Bender Rodríguez]

Originally posted by Legaroojack:

Its literally the M1A2 but better so I dont see the problem.

yeah usually i would say the same but i get one tapped in armor spots that wouldn't even work on the normal M1A2

[legaroojack]

Originally posted by TheMissileGuidanceControlSystem:

Originally posted by Legaroojack:

Its literally the M1A2 but better so I dont see the problem.

yeah usually i would say the same but i get one tapped in armor spots that wouldn't even work on the normal M1A2

its got the same armour layout so no thats not happening.

[Charmander787]

skill issue

[Jaes]

You're having some sort of survivor bias issue occurring OP. There is no difference in the armor protection between the M1A2 SEP and the M1A2 outside of the TUSK package which gives some extra CE protection for the M1A2 SEP.

The primary advantage the M1A2 SEP has is it has better thermal sights than the M1A2.

Those shots you're dying to in the M1A2 SEP would have also killed the M1A2. When you're playing top tier, you need to assume that anything you run into will OHK you and play accordingly. Never trust your armor because everything that's there is designed to defeat it. If your armor happens to stop a round, treat it as a happy accident that mitigated a mistake you made rather than you're a heavily armored behemoth that can stop anything thrown at you.

This mindset helps a lot with playing well at top tier. If you play like you're a glass canon, you make far less mistakes that will get you killed.

[Darugdawg]

Originally posted by Jaes:

You're having some sort of survivor bias issue occurring OP. There is no difference in the armor protection between the M1A2 SEP and the M1A2 outside of the TUSK package which gives some extra CE protection for the M1A2 SEP.

The primary advantage the M1A2 SEP has is it has better thermal sights than the M1A2.

Those shots you're dying to in the M1A2 SEP would have also killed the M1A2. When you're playing top tier, you need to assume that anything you run into will OHK you and play accordingly. Never trust your armor because everything that's there is designed to defeat it. If your armor happens to stop a round, treat it as a happy accident that mitigated a mistake you made rather than you're a heavily armored behemoth that can stop anything thrown at you.

This mindset helps a lot with playing well at top tier. If you play like you're a glass canon, you make far less mistakes that will get you killed.

i wana know why during the tournament most players exclusively played ussr

[Emperors Champion Dragos]

Gaijin hasnt modeled the abrams correctly, the Chobham on the later series abrams doesnt have the 50mm plates and still uses the 30mm plates, the turret ring doesnt have the right amount of armor (at least it feels like it), soviets get to make mistakes because they have trolly armor and OP ERA that will eat AFPSDS while NATO doesn't for the most part. It helps to flank or try and snipe where your armor is a bit better, they also havent modeled the second gen ARAT era on the TUSK that can go over the first plates, further increasing protection, until these issues are fixed with the Abrams, it will continue to be a gimped vehicle. And thats not even mentioning the fact that they don't get access to DU armor or rounds, basically making them export variants in the US tree.

[HansGruber]

There is no "Abrams" tank modeled in war thunder.

The cartoonist in accuracies of what they provide essentially make it into just a fictional figment of the great snails imagination.

[Jaes]

Originally posted by Darugdawg:

i wana know why during the tournament most players exclusively played ussr

Soviets have the best rounded line up to bring into a match between their MBTs, Light Tanks, SPAA, and CAS options, especially the CAS options. Between their support elements outside of the MBTs, they just have a lot of "I win" tools that haven't been available to most other nations.

The primary advantage of the Soviet MBTs is they have much smaller weak spot mistake thresholds compared to say an Abrams (it's also an issue with Leopards, Challenger, etc.).

The weak spot shots on an M1A2 might as well be the size of a soccer ball compared to T-80BVM's weak spots being the size of a tennis ball. You have a much more likelihood to mess up a shot on a T-80BVM's weak spot than you do an Abrams.

If you're playing at a tournament level, why wouldn't you use the vehicle that's going to more likely defeat a shot against it if your opponent makes a mistake vs. working harder to not make mistakes and limiting your engagement avenues in order to protect your weak spots?

Personally, I'd much rather have the Abrams as it gives me a lot more tactical options that I can employ to defeat a target in general ground battles that are super chaotic. However, if I'm in a tournament setting with other players that are as good, or better than me, there's no reason for me to pick the Abrams over the T-80s and potentially put myself at a disadvantage when I'm being shot at due to the larger weak spot mistake thresholds.

It's a solid example of "Work smarter, not harder."

[AlextheTower]

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

Gaijin hasnt modeled the abrams correctly, the Chobham on the later series abrams doesnt have the 50mm plates and still uses the 30mm plates, the turret ring doesnt have the right amount of armor (at least it feels like it), soviets get to make mistakes because they have trolly armor and OP ERA that will eat AFPSDS while NATO doesn't for the most part. It helps to flank or try and snipe where your armor is a bit better, they also havent modeled the second gen ARAT era on the TUSK that can go over the first plates, further increasing protection, until these issues are fixed with the Abrams, it will continue to be a gimped vehicle. And thats not even mentioning the fact that they don't get access to DU armor or rounds, basically making them export variants in the US tree.

M829A2 is a DU round.

[Shyue Chou]

Ooo, I am only 40K away from finishing my research on it.

[legaroojack]

Originally posted by Venom Thanos:

I'm not a tank nerd, if they somewhat modeled the Abrams armor correctly, will it be stronger than it currently is or weaker?

A lot stronger. The SEP's turret armour is a couple hundred millimetres thinner than it should be. People literally sent photos of the tanks turret to gaijin as proof that the SEP has a thicker turret but they denied it because the literal physical evidence wasn't enough. This also goes for the hull armour on the 2A5/ 6 because if I'm not mistake in game it uses an older model hull that they never used. Russian tanks on the other hand...

[Shyue Chou]

Originally posted by Legaroojack:

Originally posted by Venom Thanos:

I'm not a tank nerd, if they somewhat modeled the Abrams armor correctly, will it be stronger than it currently is or weaker?

A lot stronger. The SEP's turret armour is a couple hundred millimetres thinner than it should be. People literally sent photos of the tanks turret to gaijin as proof that the SEP has a thicker turret but they denied it because the literal physical evidence wasn't enough. This also goes for the hull armour on the 2A5/ 6 because if I'm not mistake in game it uses an older model hull that they never used. Russian tanks on the other hand...

In addition, penetration figures for Western ATGMs in War Thunder are way below the established figures. Not sure where the game got their figures, maybe the Russian MOD.

[legaroojack]

Originally posted by Shyue Chou:

Originally posted by Legaroojack:

A lot stronger. The SEP's turret armour is a couple hundred millimetres thinner than it should be. People literally sent photos of the tanks turret to gaijin as proof that the SEP has a thicker turret but they denied it because the literal physical evidence wasn't enough. This also goes for the hull armour on the 2A5/ 6 because if I'm not mistake in game it uses an older model hull that they never used. Russian tanks on the other hand...

In addition, penetration figures for Western ATGMs in War Thunder are way below the established figures. Not sure where the game got their figures, maybe the Russian MOD.

If it doesnt come from the russian government gaijin doesnt trust it.