Top Tier is Pointless unless you are Russian

[Antiriad]

So now a pretty clear pattern emerge for those that are loyal enough to grind out top tier (11.7). Basically the whole game is just a festival celebrating how awesome russian tanks are.

Pity any other player dumb enough to bring a leopard 2 or a challenger 2 to this party - you will be massacred by swarms of T80 BVMs, T80U's or sometimes T72B3. All much of a muchness, pretty similar and now the game suddenly is not fun unless you have russian.

I'm going to start a count, but now from quickly checking it seems like more than 60% of ALL the tanks taking the field at that tier are russian.

BVMs seem ridiculously overpowered against Challies - the russians have been given better armour, similar if not better guns, and they are faster. how can they possibly be the same rank?

now i understand what this chit chat about russian bias actually means. Being locked into to the British, think it might be time to put the game down.

[Sierra-Six-Four]

all killable with the same weakspots that u should know since u can see T64b in battles, i play 11.0 Japan with two Type 90 and i can kill BVMs with that stock HEAT-FS....
This is just another cry thread from soneone who can't play the game...

[Rigor Mortis]

just give me the RktJgPz-3 Jaguar 1a3 and i take one any T80

[Wandering Flare]

Your first mistake was playing the bri'ish. They are slower than everyone and only have armor in the turret, so either you play like a backline sniper hulldown or you accept the inevitable death in trying to push up.

That said, the ERA and non-detonating ammo are definitely an advantage over other nations, especially considering the latter is supposed to be the exact opposite and a major downside of the T-series.

[Pec]

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

That said, the ERA and non-detonating ammo are definitely an advantage over other nations, especially considering the latter is supposed to be the exact opposite and a major downside of the T-series.

I do find it quite funny that out of the ammo storage options (Blow out panels and anti cook off bins(I forgot the name) ) in game the safest storage is to have none

[Graephen]

Originally posted by Sierra-Six-Four:

all killable with the same weakspots that u should know since u can see T64b in battles, i play 11.0 Japan with two Type 90 and i can kill BVMs with that stock HEAT-FS....
This is just another cry thread from soneone who can't play the game...

Yeah, except ammo not detonating when hit directly on high-BR russian tanks and it being "not a bug, intended", but same not being true for Challengers, Leopards or Leclércs.
Pantsir S1, an anti-air system from 2012 fighting planes from the 90s or 80s and being able to shoot things down at ridiculous ranges.
To top it off - everything, that has multiple Vikhrs is toxic to play against. Nothing counters it, except complete air superiority and good luck achieving that with the Pantsir on the ground.

I do not understand this catering towards Russian tech. I'm a beginner game developer and it seems completely and utterly pointless to either politicize a game, or give a boost to your country's playerbase as catering or something, I have no clue as to why would someone favor a nation IN A GAME over the others. Balance is crucial in multiplayer games like War Thunder.

If USSR/Russia gets the Pantsir S1, then give Japan, Brits, France, USA stuff from 2010s too. Where's my F-35 to counter that, huh?

Pantsir is bad for the game, so is the new SU.

[Wandering Flare]

Originally posted by Graephen:

Originally posted by Sierra-Six-Four:

all killable with the same weakspots that u should know since u can see T64b in battles, i play 11.0 Japan with two Type 90 and i can kill BVMs with that stock HEAT-FS....
This is just another cry thread from soneone who can't play the game...

I do not understand this catering towards Russian tech. I'm a beginner game developer and it seems completely and utterly pointless to either politicize a game, or give a boost to your country's playerbase as catering or something, I have no clue as to why would someone favor a nation IN A GAME over the others. Balance is crucial in multiplayer games like War Thunder.

You're looking at it from the perspective of design that would be positive for the players, try to look at it from the perspective of a company trying to make as much money off of those players as possible and it will make perfect sense.

[JuX]

Think overall issue is how Gaijin intentionally gave the russians, pretty much guaranteed air superiority.

Even with beamriding nerf, the russian helicopters are still formidable, as they have MAW that prevents anyone from getting the drop on them and the Vihkr still has best range and velocity to a point it will wins helicopter vs helicopter combat easily.

To make matters worse they gave SU-39 Vihkr AGM's as well. Meaning it's the only jet capable of shooting down helicopters with missiles at range. While everyone els has to get point blank and likely get shotdown instead.

Then you have Pantsir thats been given air spawnkilling capabilities that you cannot detect and has no blindspot. When 2S6 apparently wasn't good enough, but why not give them TOR-1 instead then? It's already in the game, is a russian vehicle and good enough for chinese faction.


Also to point out about Pantsir. Why did Gaijin considered the russian faction to be in desperate need of a new top tier SPAA? When Japanese been capped at 9.0 in their SPAA line for years. These Gaijin excuses aren't fooling anyone.

[Wandering Flare]

Originally posted by JuX:

Also to point out about Pantsir. Why did Gaijin considered the russian faction to be in desperate need of a new top tier SPAA? When Japanese been capped at 9.0 in their SPAA line for years. These Gaijin excuses aren't fooling anyone.

Don't forget that they also nerfed USSR SPAAs in the same update they added the Pantsir, effectively making the "USSR has no good SPAAs so we have to add Pantsir" a moot point.

[Antiriad]

Originally posted by Sierra-Six-Four:

all killable with the same weakspots that u should know since u can see T64b in battles, i play 11.0 Japan with two Type 90 and i can kill BVMs with that stock HEAT-FS....
This is just another cry thread from soneone who can't play the game...

i can kill them too. Just aim for the millimetre wide weak spots right?

You can't read properly. Why don't you try grinding out challenger 2E and then see if you can find a way to be competitive. The tank that has a single 'strong spot' and pretty much every other part of it's lard ass is a 'weak spot'.

Please explain the swarms of T80 BVMs i encounter one match out of 2. How is that fair?

[Antiriad]

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

Your first mistake was playing the bri'ish. They are slower than everyone and only have armor in the turret, so either you play like a backline sniper hulldown or you accept the inevitable death in trying to push up.

That said, the ERA and non-detonating ammo are definitely an advantage over other nations, especially considering the latter is supposed to be the exact opposite and a major downside of the T-series.

yep all this I agree with - only now I realise after 1000 hours of grinding British, $100+ of premium accounts and a lot of wasted GE purchases along the way....

Should have known, the game is a Russian trick all along...

[Sierra-Six-Four]

Originally posted by Antiriad:

Originally posted by Sierra-Six-Four:

all killable with the same weakspots that u should know since u can see T64b in battles, i play 11.0 Japan with two Type 90 and i can kill BVMs with that stock HEAT-FS....
This is just another cry thread from soneone who can't play the game...

i can kill them too. Just aim for the millimetre wide weak spots right?

You can't read properly. Why don't you try grinding out challenger 2E and then see if you can find a way to be competitive. The tank that has a single 'strong spot' and pretty much every other part of it's lard ass is a 'weak spot'.

Please explain the swarms of T80 BVMs i encounter one match out of 2. How is that fair?

I play Challangers just u know it and i still find that russsian tanks are more easy to kill than Abrams for example, just becausse YOU can't do it means that nobody can, better L2P.

[Sierra-Six-Four]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Still funny how the BVM has had 65-80% winrates for like 2 years and people still don't see the pattern.

the problem is more like the amount of players who can only shoot center mass frontally, i see that every time let it be my Leo2 oder Type 90 and if i play like that against russia, no wonder u can't pen the upper front of an T80....

[Wandering Flare]

Originally posted by Sierra-Six-Four:

Originally posted by Mirage:

Still funny how the BVM has had 65-80% winrates for like 2 years and people still don't see the pattern.

the problem is more like the amount of players who can only shoot center mass frontally, i see that every time let it be my Leo2 oder Type 90 and if i play like that against russia, no wonder u can't pen the upper front of an T80....

Upper front is *the* killshot weakspot though. Well, assuming the driver's glass made out of transparent Stalinium doesn't eat the shell with minor damage to said driver.

[canceros]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Originally posted by Sierra-Six-Four:

the problem is more like the amount of players who can only shoot center mass frontally, i see that every time let it be my Leo2 oder Type 90 and if i play like that against russia, no wonder u can't pen the upper front of an T80....

Doesn't change the outcome, winrates are winrates, how it came to be has never been relevant, minor nations get nerfed instantly whenever a vehicle is performing well in the hands of 3 people.

My t-80B with 40% winrate? It was 37% last week (i have yet to try the others)
As main russia i dont know why they add pantsir when we have 2s6 wonderful spaa
Maybe because you whine too much, at least to have a reason? :D

[Antiriad]

Originally posted by Sierra-Six-Four:

Originally posted by Antiriad:

i can kill them too. Just aim for the millimetre wide weak spots right?

You can't read properly. Why don't you try grinding out challenger 2E and then see if you can find a way to be competitive. The tank that has a single 'strong spot' and pretty much every other part of it's lard ass is a 'weak spot'.

Please explain the swarms of T80 BVMs i encounter one match out of 2. How is that fair?

I play Challangers just u know it and i still find that russsian tanks are more easy to kill than Abrams for example, just becausse YOU can't do it means that nobody can, better L2P.

i think you are lying