Leopard 2A5 has DM53?

[Mania]

Since when?

And now that the 2A5 has the DM53, what's the point of the 2A6? When it got added the new L/55's ability to fire the DM53 which was a huge offensive upgrade from the 2A5's L/44 and was it's main selling point and why I decided to grind an extra 400,000 RP.

[Pec]

Maybe 2 years. The point is you now have 2 good top tier vehicles

[Mania]

Originally posted by GB:

Maybe 2 years. The point is you now have 2 good top tier vehicles

I could easily just get backups from warbond shop. To me this just means I wasted 400,000 RP and 1,000,000+ SL.

[DrunkenTee]

Originally posted by ToXiC bAnDiT mAiN:

Originally posted by GB:

Maybe 2 years. The point is you now have 2 good top tier vehicles

I could easily just get backups from warbond shop. To me this just means I wasted 400,000 RP and 1,000,000+ SL.

The 2A6 is basically a 2A5 to begin with. The 2A6 only got improvements to the cannon, lengthening the barrel gave the 2A6 a higher firing range and better ballistics.

[Pec]

Its possible the 2a6 might get newer ammunition as the top tier power creep continues on so think of it as a investment of a infinite backup for the vehicle + less grinding in the future

[HansGruber]

Even with DM53 in both the longer L/55 should have more punch than the L/44.

[DrunkenTee]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Wonder when Germany finally going to get some top tier vehicles again, argueably one of the worst lineups in the game, bar Italy that literally has a pretend top tier lineup.

There isn't much left to add to Toptier. They already added all Armored fighting vehicles that we have in service. Only thing left to add would be Artillery/Mortar vehicles. In 2025 we are supposed to get our first Leopard 2A8's, so that will be a while til then.

We have things like GSD LuWa which will be a light AFV that you could transport with planes and such, meant to replace the Wiesel, but that is still in development phase. Then there is also the ZukSysIndF RCH-155, which again is Artillery and again still in development.

We could see NNbS Skyranger 30 somewhere in the future, its basically our Boxer with a Oerlikon slapped on top with our hella deadly airburst ammo and some short-range SAM like Stinger, Mistral or Skyknight, where the latter is the most likely choice.

Thats literally it.

[Mania]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Originally posted by DrunkenTee:

There isn't much left to add to Toptier. They already added all Armored fighting vehicles that we have in service. Only thing left to add would be Artillery/Mortar vehicles. In 2025 we are supposed to get our first Leopard 2A8's, so that will be a while til then.

We have things like GSD LuWa which will be a light AFV that you could transport with planes and such, meant to replace the Wiesel, but that is still in development phase. Then there is also the ZukSysIndF RCH-155, which again is Artillery and again still in development.

We could see NNbS Skyranger 30 somewhere in the future, its basically our Boxer with a Oerlikon slapped on top with our hella deadly airburst ammo and some short-range SAM like Stinger, Mistral or Skyknight, where the latter is the most likely choice.

Thats literally it.

Right now Germany only has 2 top tier vehicles, and they're just the same thing at this point.. just add in more Leopards or export versions, the 2A6 is from like 3 years ago.

Maybe the APS variants would be cool. Not sure how that would fit in though.

[DrunkenTee]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Originally posted by DrunkenTee:

There isn't much left to add to Toptier. They already added all Armored fighting vehicles that we have in service. Only thing left to add would be Artillery/Mortar vehicles. In 2025 we are supposed to get our first Leopard 2A8's, so that will be a while til then.

We have things like GSD LuWa which will be a light AFV that you could transport with planes and such, meant to replace the Wiesel, but that is still in development phase. Then there is also the ZukSysIndF RCH-155, which again is Artillery and again still in development.

We could see NNbS Skyranger 30 somewhere in the future, its basically our Boxer with a Oerlikon slapped on top with our hella deadly airburst ammo and some short-range SAM like Stinger, Mistral or Skyknight, where the latter is the most likely choice.

Thats literally it.

Right now Germany only has 2 top tier vehicles, and they're just the same thing at this point.. just add in more Leopards or export versions, the 2A6 is from like 3 years ago.

There is nothing to discuss here. Our active armoured fighting vehicles are Leo's, Wiesel, the Marder and the Puma which are all in game already. I gave you a concrete list of what we could get. The only export version worth considering is the 2A6EX with improved upper front plate armor and added roof armor which are such minor improvements that Missiles will still blow through your roof and who aims for the UFP anyway?

[DrunkenTee]

Originally posted by ToXiC bAnDiT mAiN:

Originally posted by Mirage:

Right now Germany only has 2 top tier vehicles, and they're just the same thing at this point.. just add in more Leopards or export versions, the 2A6 is from like 3 years ago.

Maybe the APS variants would be cool. Not sure how that would fit in though.

2A8 is supposed to get APS

[Mania]

Originally posted by DrunkenTee:

Originally posted by ToXiC bAnDiT mAiN:

Maybe the APS variants would be cool. Not sure how that would fit in though.

2A8 is supposed to get APS

What about the 2A7? It has additional armor for urban warfare, new DM-11 P-HE round. Additionally, the 2A7A1 has the Trophy APS.

[Ģ◊иℤ◊⚡ℤ∀муpΛй]

Originally posted by ToXiC bAnDiT mAiN:

Since when?

And now that the 2A5 has the DM53, what's the point of the 2A6? When it got added the new L/55's ability to fire the DM53 which was a huge offensive upgrade from the 2A5's L/44 and was it's main selling point and why I decided to grind an extra 400,000 RP.

whats the point of the T-90A,T80BVM,T72B3 if it doesnt have 3BM59.

[DrunkenTee]

Originally posted by ToXiC bAnDiT mAiN:

Originally posted by DrunkenTee:

2A8 is supposed to get APS

What about the 2A7? It has additional armor for urban warfare, new DM-11 P-HE round. Additionally, the 2A7A1 has the Trophy APS.

Oh trueeee.. fully forgot the A7 with how little it is mentioned EVER. We have a few variants that could be added like the 2A7V and 2A7+ but with how many 2A7 variants we have, I think we only need one.

[Mania]

Originally posted by Ģ◊иŽФ⚡∀mηЯΛ¥:

Originally posted by ToXiC bAnDiT mAiN:

Since when?

And now that the 2A5 has the DM53, what's the point of the 2A6? When it got added the new L/55's ability to fire the DM53 which was a huge offensive upgrade from the 2A5's L/44 and was it's main selling point and why I decided to grind an extra 400,000 RP.

whats the point of the T-90A,T80BVM,T72B3 if it doesnt have 3BM59.

T-90A has Shtora SK-APS, plus new composite armor turret.

T-80BVM gets new Relikt ERA.

Each one of those tanks brings something new, something that's noticeable and worth grinding 400,000 RP for. The Leopard 2A6's improvement may as well be a modification instead of a whole new tank.

[Ģ◊иℤ◊⚡ℤ∀муpΛй]

Originally posted by DrunkenTee:

Originally posted by ToXiC bAnDiT mAiN:

Maybe the APS variants would be cool. Not sure how that would fit in though.

2A8 is supposed to get APS

A8 will not get neither get APS or reactive armor, i used to explain this in the past again but im giving it another one, basically the german army is using the panzergrenadier doctrine this is quite unfamilar with the american or russian doctrines they have tank platoons and only tanks, but germany is using tanks together with soldiers so called panzergrenadiers they engage hostiles together with tanks, they feel save because they have tanks covering them and the tankers can be at ease and concentrate at enemy armor without having to fear enemy infantry so now you ask why no APS or ERA on german tanks, the answer is simple "Shrapnels" sure the tank would be safe for the most part but there the shrapnels would go in literally every direction and could possibly hit allied soldiers nearby this is also the reason why ERA is not permitted, sure war thunder has no infantry but this also means the bundeswehr is not using those devices which ends up not getting added to the tank so dont get your hopes up.

Additionally i would like to say those devices exist and can also be seen on KMW & Rheinmetall variants of these tanks but they dont serve in their army.

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Originally posted by ToXiC bAnDiT mAiN:

Originally posted by Ģ◊иŽФ⚡∀mηЯΛ¥:

whats the point of the T-90A,T80BVM,T72B3 if it doesnt have 3BM59.

T-90A has Shtora SK-APS, plus new composite armor turret.

T-80BVM gets new Relikt ERA.

Each one of those tanks brings something new, something that's noticeable and worth grinding 400,000 RP for. The Leopard 2A6's improvement may as well be a modification instead of a whole new tank.

Shtora is useless in top tier it doesnt protect you against any missiles you face in 11.0, its also softkill not hardkill.

Relikt isnt really new its just up date, dont mistake it for afghanit, keep in mind the T-72B3 also has Arena-M APS IRL and its also not being displayed in the game.