SOMUA is still on 7.3 when Lorraine 40t and AMX-50 are on 7.7

[Donat_Rasa_Jeruk]

SOMUA is unstoppable, with great front armor and the same gun as Lorraine 40t and AMX-50 (TOA100) with a 4-second reload speed.
But it is still on 7.3.
why?
Is it because that tonk is a premium tonk?

[mig15bis]

shoot the turret lmao

[Kay]

Originally posted by ttv/poniat0wski:

shoot the turret lmao

The turret made of 120mm plates at high angles?

There's no reason it's lower than the other two tanks, it's absolutely better and should really be 8.0, as it is it's ridiculously overpowered

[Mary]

Originally posted by ttv/poniat0wski:

shoot the turret lmao

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by Kay:

The turret made of 120mm plates at high angles?

There's no reason it's lower than the other two tanks, it's absolutely better and should really be 8.0, as it is it's ridiculously overpowered

Given the amount of HEAT-FS at this point, the armour on the SOMUA isn´t really special.
His fast loading gun is his true strenght but it needs knowlegde about crew and module layout to get the most out it due it´s solid AP round.

It´s more a heavy medium tank in my opinion and 7.3 is high enough.

[Kay]

Originally posted by Chaoslord 87:

Originally posted by Kay:

The turret made of 120mm plates at high angles?

There's no reason it's lower than the other two tanks, it's absolutely better and should really be 8.0, as it is it's ridiculously overpowered

Given the amount of HEAT-FS at this point, the armour on the SOMUA isn´t really special.
His fast loading gun is his true strenght but it needs knowlegde about crew and module layout to get the most out it due it´s solid AP.

It´s more a heavy medium tank in my opinion and 7.3 is high enough.

7.3. Compared to the Lorraine 40T and AMX50, worse vehicles at a higher BR?

The 100mm solid AP is more than capable of deleting interiors of tanks without much aiming at all, the spalling from the round is pretty significant and makes it easy to kill other tanks without much effort, especially considering most nation have just enough armour to make the AP rounds delete them on anything that has HEAT at that BR.

It's as fast if not faster than most medium tanks, reloads significantly faster than most vehicles at it's BR, has very good solid AP with good penetration but lacks HEAT rounds, has very strong armour against conventional rounds to the point even APDS struggles against it, and is a lower BR than the other two most comparable (and definitely worse) tanks.

It's absolutely not fine at a lower BR than those tanks, it's more than deserving of at least 7.7 if not 8.0.

[Aegis270]

We can quibble about whether or not the SOMUA is 7.3 material. What can't be argued is that it is straight up better than both French 7.7 100mm autoloaders, similar in every way but having APHE proof hull armor, which can bail you out against a significant number of opponents at the tier (A lot of American and Soviet vehicles main APHE around 7.3). Hell, angle it slightly, and you can even bounce 105 APDS off it

The turret remains a weakspot, but it's similar enough to other French autoloaders that a lot of people get them confused and assume the hull is an easy pen like the others, since the turret can troll people with volumetric nonsense due to the oscillating design. Either way, it's a definite advantage that will save you from time to time, and there's no real tradeoff other than the lower top speed which rarely comes into things.

We can either argue that all three deserve 7.3, or that all three deserve 7.7. Randomly sticking it at 7.3 stinks of premium bias.

[Sobolewski]

Having the hull of a Tiger II (a lot of internal space for HEAT-FS and APDS survivability and excellent armor vs APHE) with good mobility and access to the autoloaded French 100mm is pretty OP at 7.3, yeah.

It doesn't go up yet because Gaijin still makes money from its sales. We'll have to wait about another year till it gets balanced.

[Cha Cha Real Rough]

Originally posted by Kay:

Originally posted by ttv/poniat0wski:

shoot the turret lmao

The turret made of 120mm plates at high angles?

There's no reason it's lower than the other two tanks, it's absolutely better and should really be 8.0, as it is it's ridiculously overpowered

At 7.3, nearly all tanks can penetrate the turret, its easier to take out than tiger 2's imo

[Kay]

Originally posted by Cha Cha Real Rough:

Originally posted by Kay:

The turret made of 120mm plates at high angles?

There's no reason it's lower than the other two tanks, it's absolutely better and should really be 8.0, as it is it's ridiculously overpowered

At 7.3, nearly all tanks can penetrate the turret, its easier to take out than tiger 2's imo

This is the equivalent of people saying "just shoot the MG port" on the Sherman Jumbo.

The Centurion Mk.3 can't go through the UFP or upper turret, the T-54 can't either, the IS-3, IS-4, T32, T32E1, and Caernarvon all struggle with it.

This is ignoring downtiers where most medium and heavy tanks below 7.3 only have access to conventional ammunition that struggles to penetrate it in the best circumstances.

The Somua is also, again, faster than most mediums and has a much faster reload. The Tiger II is slower than most of it's competition, even then it's one of the best heavy tanks for its BR.

[FizzyElf]

Originally posted by Donat_Rasa_Sbubu:

SOMUA is unstoppable, with great front armor and the same gun as Lorraine 40t and AMX-50 (TOA100) with a 4-second reload speed.
But it is still on 7.3.
why?
Is it because that tonk is a premium tonk?

I'm curious, are you trying to kill that Somua with a Jumbo 76 by any chance? Most tanks in the BR range can easily deal with it and its sisters which are higher as they are or at least were supposed to be tech tree medium tanks (the T0A100 has been in the game files for a few years, it only recently became a premium battlepass tank.). The Somua does have decent armor and a nice gun but the heavy vehicles around it share those features so really the only strong thing about the Somua is its autoloader which it needs as it is using solid shot rather than APHE so repeat shots are often needed to kill enemy vehicles especially ones with larger crews. The French have a lot of their stuff overtiered which is why the Somua being 7.3 seems so weird, it is at a proper BR while the rest of its sisters in the AMX series are nerfed with higher BR's than they should have (also the premium tonk argument can be made but can also be countered by the T0A100's BR placement, it more that gaijin chose to be nice to the Somua specifically rather than its classification).

edit: T090 which I could have sworn was 7.7 along side its tech tree counterpart, still not great at 7.3 though, just like the 25T in the tech tree though a bit worse as it has a harder time hiding and flanking, 7.0 seems like a better BR for those two.

[Eins]

skill issue

[Cha Cha Real Rough]

Originally posted by Kay:

Originally posted by Cha Cha Real Rough:

At 7.3, nearly all tanks can penetrate the turret, its easier to take out than tiger 2's imo

This is the equivalent of people saying "just shoot the MG port" on the Sherman Jumbo.

The Centurion Mk.3 can't go through the UFP or upper turret, the T-54 can't either, the IS-3, IS-4, T32, T32E1, and Caernarvon all struggle with it.

This is ignoring downtiers where most medium and heavy tanks below 7.3 only have access to conventional ammunition that struggles to penetrate it in the best circumstances.

The Somua is also, again, faster than most mediums and has a much faster reload. The Tiger II is slower than most of it's competition, even then it's one of the best heavy tanks for its BR.

I mean its not really that hard to take out, its weakspot is much bigger than a jumbo's mg port, and i believe is bigger than the weakspot you have to aim for on tiger 2's.

You just always want to go for the turret, and preferably the mid-lower part of the turret. It does got a fast reload and good speed, but the oscillating turret for me rings bells that say "shoot here, i have no armor" and it works if you get the shot off first