F4C Literally unplayable

[JetWash]

Sees 11.0 in an uptier and lets be honest, every game is an uptier. Gets swarmed by 9L and R60MKs as soon as you get close enough to bomb a base, which is the only way to grind with it because almost every enemy can flare your missiles and if you try to dogfight you bleed half your speed with one s-turn and will get picked off. It had flares historically, the document was submitted to the forum, yet gaijin chooses to ignore it. Move it to 10.3 if you have to, but 10.0 without flares is unjustifiable. For everyone who wants to post "but (insert your nations jet) doesnt have flares and it's (10.0 or higher)" I AGREE WITH YOU. This BR is flooded with premium spam that has all-aspects and CM (even the f5c that DID NOT have flares irl). Nothing should be this high without flares. Its completely unbalanced and not competitive. By all means add another F14 and give Russia a 4th frogfoot, keep compressing the BRs.

I eagerly await "skill issue" and "just dodge them" from people who are happy to have easy targets at their BR.

[TheUpsetGerman]

I'm seeing the same issues, the F4c is at 10.0, with a now 13k repair cost. Although I cant talk for bombing, using it as a fighter in its current state is just hell on Earth. At lower altitudes, it will see too many Su-25k with 30g all aspect missiles, which without CM, it has 0 changes of dodging. If you try to climb to high altitudes, your only chance at a kill is to fire an AIM-7 from 9km out, and pray to god the enemy isn't paying attention, if they are, your screwed. And that plan falls out the window the second a MiG-21 beats you in the climb, since their missiles are higher G. Plus their radar is much better at holding a lock, AND they can carry chaff, while the F4c is stuck with a slow turn and no way to defend itself. Past the first 2 minutes of combat, you have the best chance of just bailing out than sticking in the game, as everyone migrates to lower alts, where it just cant compete.

And after years of the F4c being in the game, I dont see why it still has no CM, when it did historically. And when people say that was rare, just remember planes like the F5c never had CM, and yet they can carry 60.

And to many other people's point, the F4c almost always gets an uptier. I counted the amount I've gotten in the past week, and over 65% of them end up with 11.0 aircraft.

So gaijin refuses to give it CM, they refuse to change its br, and they keep increasing its repair cost, while other aircraft at the same br get to have CM, a br that is way too low for its missile set, and a reduced repair cost. At this point, if they made it so you had to give up a few missiles, or your central gun pod, I would do it just so I'm not caught with nothing but my ♥♥♥♥ in my hand to defend myself.

[JuX]

F-4C is indeed terrible aircraft for it's rating.

And that was the reason it used to have 5k repair cost, until recently Gaijin straight up doubled it's repair cost.

I got the F-4C during a silver sale as cheap option for CAS in my ground lineup. Cause of it's cheap repair cost. Despite it being ♥♥♥♥ that will get wrecked by ozelots with ease. Only to soon after see the economy change chart and where the repair cost got doubled for no reason. Immediately quit playing the jet and not waste time and silver to stock grind the modifications.

F-4C is most effective vehicle at gathering dust in hangar.

[French Cat]

If it had flares, It would actually be able to make an impact on the enemy team.

[ODINMASTER]

引用自 TheUpsetGerman：

I'm seeing the same issues, the F4c is at 10.0, with a now 13k repair cost. Although I cant talk for bombing, using it as a fighter in its current state is just hell on Earth. At lower altitudes, it will see too many Su-25k with 30g all aspect missiles, which without CM, it has 0 changes of dodging. If you try to climb to high altitudes, your only chance at a kill is to fire an AIM-7 from 9km out, and pray to god the enemy isn't paying attention, if they are, your screwed. And that plan falls out the window the second a MiG-21 beats you in the climb, since their missiles are higher G. Plus their radar is much better at holding a lock, AND they can carry chaff, while the F4c is stuck with a slow turn and no way to defend itself. Past the first 2 minutes of combat, you have the best chance of just bailing out than sticking in the game, as everyone migrates to lower alts, where it just cant compete.

And after years of the F4c being in the game, I dont see why it still has no CM, when it did historically. And when people say that was rare, just remember planes like the F5c never had CM, and yet they can carry 60.

And to many other people's point, the F4c almost always gets an uptier. I counted the amount I've gotten in the past week, and over 65% of them end up with 11.0 aircraft.

So gaijin refuses to give it CM, they refuse to change its br, and they keep increasing its repair cost, while other aircraft at the same br get to have CM, a br that is way too low for its missile set, and a reduced repair cost. At this point, if they made it so you had to give up a few missiles, or your central gun pod, I would do it just so I'm not caught with nothing but my ♥♥♥♥ in my hand to defend myself.

about your point with the mig21, the radar missiles are 10g and can be easily dodged. The R3R is an R3S with a radar seeker head and the R3R is just a reverse engineered aim9B, its very easily to dodge, especially in a headon

[Space]

"about your point with the mig21, the radar missiles are 10g and can be easily dodged. The R3R is an R3S with a radar seeker head and the R3R is just a reverse engineered aim9B, its very easily to dodge, especially in a headon"


most mig 21's carry r60's, and dodging r3's with just bleed all your speed

[ODINMASTER]

引用自 Space：

"about your point with the mig21, the radar missiles are 10g and can be easily dodged. The R3R is an R3S with a radar seeker head and the R3R is just a reverse engineered aim9B, its very easily to dodge, especially in a headon"


most mig 21's carry r60's, and dodging r3's with just bleed all your speed

Yes but r60s are only good for super short range and dogfights. They cant work in headons. You can usually outrun an r60, especially if you’re out of its burn range. Also you dont bleed all your speed dodging r3rs, you just need to turn very slightly

[French Cat]

引用自 ODINMASTER：

引用自 Space：

"about your point with the mig21, the radar missiles are 10g and can be easily dodged. The R3R is an R3S with a radar seeker head and the R3R is just a reverse engineered aim9B, its very easily to dodge, especially in a headon"


most mig 21's carry r60's, and dodging r3's with just bleed all your speed

Yes but r60s are only good for super short range and dogfights. They cant work in headons. You can usually outrun an r60, especially if you’re out of its burn range. Also you dont bleed all your speed dodging r3rs, you just need to turn very slightly

How do would you get reliable mid-long range kills then? AIM-9Es are decent but unreliable. The gun on the other hand, works every time.

[Emperors Champion Dragos]

F4C is dead, F4E is dead (uptiers to 12.0 every time I play it and 70's missiles vs those jets is scary), a lot of the US tree in ground and air needs some revisions, ground especially

[ODINMASTER]

引用自 French Cat：

引用自 ODINMASTER：

Yes but r60s are only good for super short range and dogfights. They cant work in headons. You can usually outrun an r60, especially if you’re out of its burn range. Also you dont bleed all your speed dodging r3rs, you just need to turn very slightly

How do would you get reliable mid-long range kills then? AIM-9Es are decent but unreliable. The gun on the other hand, works every time.

aim 9Es work, you just need to go for people not paying attention

[X33STORM]

Before the doubling of repair cost, it was good. Aim-7's for sneak attacks, and bombs for bases. You'd die, but it could do enough to maintain a positive SL balance on average.

Now it just sucks, yeah.

[French Cat]

引用自 ODINMASTER：

引用自 French Cat：

How do would you get reliable mid-long range kills then? AIM-9Es are decent but unreliable. The gun on the other hand, works every time.

aim 9Es work, you just need to go for people not paying attention

They are rear aspect missiles… which means you can kill maybe a few guys not paying attention but most of the time, they are.

[ODINMASTER]

引用自 French Cat：

引用自 ODINMASTER：

aim 9Es work, you just need to go for people not paying attention

They are rear aspect missiles… which means you can kill maybe a few guys not paying attention but most of the time, they are.

Well thats just how it is. The f4c used to be the best jet in the game, now its just a support fighter. Its how things go. I still enjoy playing it, more so when the rep cost was lower

[Thedeadlygas]

but they fixed the game, with that update..

[Emperors Champion Dragos]

引用自 X33STORM：

Before the doubling of repair cost, it was good. Aim-7's for sneak attacks, and bombs for bases. You'd die, but it could do enough to maintain a positive SL balance on average.

Now it just sucks, yeah.

Yup exactly, idk why they increased some of the repair costs in the economy update that was supposed to fix SL stuff but what do I know, F4C used to make a lot of money if you could get a few kills