Naval battles

[jacko2111]

why are there so few players in naval battles , most battles are filled with bots. its wierd because you make more money in naval battles

[NitekPL]

Well me and my friends do A LOT of naval. Bots are easy to farm and players are also there. Naval is actually on the rise and quite fun.

[Mephisto]

well, I think it's because ppl don't like destroyer battles, esp. when you get uptiered against the brutaly op US premiums and give up before they even reach the cruisers.
( I myself hate destroyer battles, but farming destroyer bots is fun )

[Bashem]

Probably because of how it is set up. Small naval boats win the game before big ships even start hitting each other.

[mogami_99]

Originally posted by Mephisto:

well, I think it's because ppl don't like destroyer battles, esp. when you get uptiered against the brutaly op US premiums and give up before they even reach the cruisers.
( I myself hate destroyer battles, but farming destroyer bots is fun )

There are 5 Destroyers can can be uptiered to fight Helena. (None versus Des Moines)
3 are USN
1 USSR
1 Japan

Not that I consider the Helena brutally OP but she is a rapid firing CL with lots of guns. The issue with Helena is there are so many in any single battle. (Most of them are bots)
Most destroyer bots are also USN.
Pure Destroyer battles are a hoot a lot like an air furball.

[mogami_99]

Originally posted by Bashem:

Probably because of how it is set up. Small naval boats win the game before big ships even start hitting each other.

On some maps this certainly happens. If you play Blue Water naval you should include a coastal Motor Torpedo boat in your lineup.
There are several maps where this never happens
The circle Jerk (The map with a single cap and a large cap zone where the team with the most ships inside is caping and bleeding enemy tickets.) Many paople never even go into the circle.

The cargo ship battle. Each team in addition to the players has 10 AI ships. 5xcargo and 5x escorts. The object is to sink the AI ships. The battles are always over before anyone can cap the other team. (because the AI ships sit in it so you can't cap with them present.
Because the cargo ships do not count for many points players ignore them (each one you sink bleeds enemy tickets) sink all 10 and it is instant win.

African Coast. the B and C caps are often taken early by coastal. But the key to this battle is A where a major battle in BR above 5.0 occurs. The side that takes A will usually just move on and retake B at least. Plus if you lose your blue water ship at A you can always now take the MTB and retake both B and C (normally C first)

The maps where the Blue Water can fire into the cap points do not always favor the coastal swoop.
But there are definitely more then 3 where the early MTB can decide the issue before the main fight ever gets going. These are the maps where you spawn your MTB first

[Mephisto]

Originally posted by mogami_99:

Originally posted by Mephisto:

well, I think it's because ppl don't like destroyer battles, esp. when you get uptiered against the brutaly op US premiums and give up before they even reach the cruisers.
( I myself hate destroyer battles, but farming destroyer bots is fun )

There are 5 Destroyers can can be uptiered to fight Helena. (None versus Des Moines)
3 are USN
1 USSR
1 Japan

Not that I consider the Helena brutally OP but she is a rapid firing CL with lots of guns. The issue with Helena is there are so many in any single battle. (Most of them are bots)
Most destroyer bots are also USN.
Pure Destroyer battles are a hoot a lot like an air furball.

really you should learn to read. never mentioned HELENA, for most destroyers F.KNOX (4.7) and MOFFET (5,0) are OP because the have enourmous firepower and -rate and are relatively hard to destroy because of the fragmentation protection. and yes good players can counter it, but when you get shot at by multiple of them most DD are nearly instantly toast

[mogami_99]

Originally posted by Mephisto:

Originally posted by mogami_99:

There are 5 Destroyers can can be uptiered to fight Helena. (None versus Des Moines)
3 are USN
1 USSR
1 Japan

Not that I consider the Helena brutally OP but she is a rapid firing CL with lots of guns. The issue with Helena is there are so many in any single battle. (Most of them are bots)
Most destroyer bots are also USN.
Pure Destroyer battles are a hoot a lot like an air furball.

really you should learn to read. never mentioned HELENA, for most destroyers F.KNOX (4.7) and MOFFET (5,0) are OP because the have enourmous firepower and -rate and are relatively hard to destroy because of the fragmentation protection. and yes good players can counter it, but when you get shot at by multiple of them most DD are nearly instantly toast

Sorry I never considered the USN premium Destroyers as OP. They are so easy to ammo rack. Germany and Great Britain both have DD with 3 second reload times. Germany has 2 DD with 6 inch guns but a slower reload. Japan can sit back and launch the best torpedoes in the game.
USN DD are far better then the poor Italians with their slow reload

Frank Knox and Moffit are numbers 39 and 41 in my list of ships with kills. Below 9 other destroyers (German/GB/Japan)

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Mephisto:

well, I think it's because ppl don't like destroyer battles, esp. when you get uptiered against the brutaly op US premiums and give up before they even reach the cruisers.
( I myself hate destroyer battles, but farming destroyer bots is fun )

This just goes to show people really don’t know how to play destroyers, maining Japan I include a single BB in my lineup just to push it into higher br ranges, what I actually spawn is destroyers which both allows me to fight over objectives the big ships never reach as well as killing many of them with torpedoes… top scoring 7.0 matches with all caps and most kills on the team with a 5.0 shimakaze isn’t even uncommon…

US destroyers while I recognise their utility are very much jack of all trades, master of none. It might make them dangerous in a straight gun battle with most of what I would bring for Japan but they lack the specialisation that allows me to casually uptier Japan so freely

[Black_Fox]

Naval battles aren't really fun, and SL can be earned in air battles as well. I think when it comes to ships World of Warships is the better option for once

[Mephisto]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Originally posted by Mephisto:

well, I think it's because ppl don't like destroyer battles, esp. when you get uptiered against the brutaly op US premiums and give up before they even reach the cruisers.
( I myself hate destroyer battles, but farming destroyer bots is fun )

This just goes to show people really don’t know how to play destroyers, maining Japan I include a single BB in my lineup just to push it into higher br ranges, what I actually spawn is destroyers which both allows me to fight over objectives the big ships never reach as well as killing many of them with torpedoes… top scoring 7.0 matches with all caps and most kills on the team with a 5.0 shimakaze isn’t even uncommon…

US destroyers while I recognise their utility are very much jack of all trades, master of none. It might make them dangerous in a straight gun battle with most of what I would bring for Japan but they lack the specialisation that allows me to casually uptier Japan so freely

and again you look at this from a pro perspective. a player that get's into naval and doesn't go the premium way, will end up with unskilled crews, 3.7 to 4.3 stock destroyers, with no armor, depending of nation a lot of deficiancies (only HE or bad AP or low range torp, no speed, you name it) and will get regularly (over 80%) uptiered against these (US-ship) bots that are the majority of ships, that will start AP-sniping said new naval player from the moment he spawns in so he only plays repair sim. that's why naval is no fun for most ppl. and that's why I said DD battles are mostly no fun. I didn't say anywhere I hate using DD (in the same way you do) but DD battles are depending on the nation pain in the 4$$

Originally posted by Black_Fox:

Naval battles aren't really fun, and SL can be earned in air battles as well. I think when it comes to ships World of Warships is the better option for once

ahahaha, NO - but well, go play WoWS then

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Mephisto:

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

This just goes to show people really don’t know how to play destroyers, maining Japan I include a single BB in my lineup just to push it into higher br ranges, what I actually spawn is destroyers which both allows me to fight over objectives the big ships never reach as well as killing many of them with torpedoes… top scoring 7.0 matches with all caps and most kills on the team with a 5.0 shimakaze isn’t even uncommon…

US destroyers while I recognise their utility are very much jack of all trades, master of none. It might make them dangerous in a straight gun battle with most of what I would bring for Japan but they lack the specialisation that allows me to casually uptier Japan so freely

and again you look at this from a pro perspective. a player that get's into naval and doesn't go the premium way, will end up with unskilled crews, 3.7 to 4.3 stock destroyers, with no armor, depending of nation a lot of deficiancies (only HE or bad AP or low range torp, no speed, you name it) and will get regularly (over 80%) uptiered against these (US-ship) bots that are the majority of ships, that will start AP-sniping said new naval player from the moment he spawns in so he only plays repair sim. that's why naval is no fun for most ppl. and that's why I said DD battles are mostly no fun. I didn't say anywhere I hate using DD (in the same way you do) but DD battles are depending on the nation pain in the 4$$

Originally posted by Black_Fox:

Naval battles aren't really fun, and SL can be earned in air battles as well. I think when it comes to ships World of Warships is the better option for once

ahahaha, NO - but well, go play WoWS then

for japan you get all the tools you need at only tier 2, yuugumo is the closest tree counterpart to shimakaze, the squad vessel i use (I actually lose 1 torpedo in exchange for the ability to launch all 15 at once as opposed to yuugumos 8 then reload, as well as a slightly higher top speed). No japanese destroyer gets any kind of AP shell so nothing to worry about there and you get type 93s stock, the best torpedo in the game bar none.

Its all about knowing the tools you have available, unless you are expecting reserve vessels to actually be good these are basically the first ships most people will get and they remain the best

[Mephisto]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

for japan you get all the tools you need at only tier 2, yuugumo is the closest tree counterpart to shimakaze, the squad vessel i use (only differing by 1 torpedo and a little top speed). No japanese destroyer gets any kind of AP shell so nothing to worry about there and you get type 93s stock, the best torpedo in the game bar none.

Its all about knowing the tools you have available, unless you are expecting reserve vessels to actually be good these are basically the first ships most people will get and they remain the best

and again: in what way does that answer OP's question or counter my argument? - I do NOT deny DDs work in the way they are designt to work in harassing big ships. It's the low tier DD battles where some nations are at a big disadvantage when they have to face the US premium bots in an uptier when they sit at 8 km behind a island where they can't be torped and snipe the new players with relatively powerfull AP. that's the reason a lot of players quit naval before they ever get to the cruisers. and if they get to the 5.0+ cruisers and get uptierd against HELENAs they throw the towel. AND AGAIN, yes, experienced players can fight these ships succesfull with lower tier ships. BUT OP WANTED TO KNOW WHY THERE ARE SO LITTLE REAL PLAYERS IN NAVAL AND THE F***ING DD BATTLES ARE A BIG HURDLE THAT IS NO FUN

[Vas]

Whats not to love about Naval? https://prnt.sc/iLl3OQtfst_l

[Davarey]

too slow, should be a little more arcade to be fun

[Catteus Of Mars]

think you people looking it the wrong way its not the few OP premiums its the plethora of boats that are slow have low firepower and die instantly. that make people rage quit.