What is the point of Pillboxes?

[Graephen]

I never see anyone going for them.
To see how much it takes to destroy one, see video here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDy89zNnYBU&ab_channel=TheStubbyNuke

To have a 100% chance of destroying it, you need an 800kg bomb. I've never seen something more uneconomical - which is why people never try to destroy them. They aren't worth it scorewise, or otherwise, which is why I recommend making them more vulnerable - able to be destroyed by 50kg bombs in a few hits, able to be destroyed by cannon-fire of 50mm and higher and be properly rewarding for the time and payload having to be spent in order to destroy one.

Alternatively, just remove them altogether and replace with a Light Pillbox.

[Graephen]

Originally posted by GaijinRuskiHacker:

pillboxes has small windows you can shoot through to destroy them .1 DO335 can win whole game because it just shreds them

I'm not talking about Light Pillboxes. Those can be killed by .50 cals. I'm talking about the big, bricky PILLBOX, that can easily eat 4x 250kg bombs and still stand. Look at the video.

[Darklight27]

that looks like a British FW3 pillbox which most were fitted with steel framing and steel walls and roof with concrete around the steel this was because Germany kept bombing the British

[Your_White_Knight]

Originally posted by Graephen:

What is the point of Pillboxes?

I never see anyone going for them.
To see how much it takes to destroy one, see video here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDy89zNnYBU&ab_channel=TheStubbyNuke

To have a 100% chance of destroying it, you need an 800kg bomb. I've never seen something more uneconomical - which is why people never try to destroy them. They aren't worth it scorewise, or otherwise, which is why I recommend making them more vulnerable - able to be destroyed by 50kg bombs in a few hits, able to be destroyed by cannon-fire of 50mm and higher and be properly rewarding for the time and payload having to be spent in order to destroy one.

Alternatively, just remove them altogether and replace with a Light Pillbox.

The point of Pillboxes are they are ~made~ to be bomb proof...

What would be the point in making them easy?

The game is based on history and historical things... that's exactly why Pillboxes exist...

[JASON BOURNE]

No... You simply shoot the roof with any gun and it dies easily...
Are you sure yall playing the same game?

[Graephen]

Originally posted by Your_White_Knight:

Originally posted by Graephen:

What is the point of Pillboxes?

I never see anyone going for them.
To see how much it takes to destroy one, see video here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDy89zNnYBU&ab_channel=TheStubbyNuke

To have a 100% chance of destroying it, you need an 800kg bomb. I've never seen something more uneconomical - which is why people never try to destroy them. They aren't worth it scorewise, or otherwise, which is why I recommend making them more vulnerable - able to be destroyed by 50kg bombs in a few hits, able to be destroyed by cannon-fire of 50mm and higher and be properly rewarding for the time and payload having to be spent in order to destroy one.

Alternatively, just remove them altogether and replace with a Light Pillbox.

The point of Pillboxes are they are ~made~ to be bomb proof...

What would be the point in making them easy?

The game is based on history and historical things... that's exactly why Pillboxes exist...

Alright then, why don't they give a proper reward, but around 500 points and a few SL instead, since they take so much effort to destroy compared to say Howitzers or Light Pillboxes?

Originally posted by Jesus Christ:

No... You simply shoot the roof with any gun and it dies easily...
Are you sure yall playing the same game?

The lack of reading comprehension and the amount of low-effort replies is staggering in this community.

THE BIG PILLBOX.
NOT THE LIGHT ONE. JESUS.

[Lucky_Star_Fan]

RP3s work on big pillboxes too, probably their best use actually. I just wish maps had more consistency. IMO all air maps should have a variety of ground units to engage and AI planes. It's annoying having to remember which maps have which targets.

[Graephen]

Originally posted by Lucky_Star_Fan:

RP3s work on big pillboxes too, probably their best use actually. I just wish maps had more consistency. IMO all air maps should have a variety of ground units to engage and AI planes. It's annoying having to remember which maps have which targets.

How many do you need and why is it only RP-3s?

[S-Array 03]

An accurate 500lbs is enough to kill one of these, ,no need for heavy ordinance like an 800Kg. I agree though they should remove more tickets and provide improved rewards upon destruction.

[Lucky_Star_Fan]

Originally posted by Graephen:

How many do you need and why is it only RP-3s?

One RP-3 can kill a big pillbox with a direct hit. I assume other rockets work, I just mentioned RP3s since I used them just the other day and they are fairly common and on the smaller/medium size for rockets.

[Graephen]

Originally posted by Lucky_Star_Fan:

Originally posted by Graephen:

How many do you need and why is it only RP-3s?

One RP-3 can kill a big pillbox with a direct hit. I assume other rockets work, I just mentioned RP3s since I used them just the other day and they are fairly common and on the smaller/medium size for rockets.

Huh? I have to try that. RP-3 doesen't seem to have near the payload necessary to kill it. Might be a bug.

Originally posted by S-Array 03:

An accurate 500lbs is enough to kill one of these, ,no need for heavy ordinance like an 800Kg. I agree though they should remove more tickets and provide improved rewards upon destruction.

In the video it doesen't, I think. Are you sure it wasn't a 1000lbs?
And yeah, definitely should. And there should be less of them.

[S-Array 03]

I'm very sure. I love taking a bomb laden Phantom to go groudnpounding in air RB, and 500Lbs is the way to get the most bombs aboard especially if you also want to bring missiles but more importantly gunpod in case of the F-4C.

The reason I prefer lots of 500 Lbs over rocket pods is that they are so much more accurate and require a lot less time on target which improves survivability. In one good run you can get probably half of the static ground targets making up the frontline if you fly it well and use a bit of guns here and there for the odd howitzer. Makes up for fantastic rewards at the end of the match too if you don't get interrupted halfway through, but that's why you do a custom loadout to bring some missiles.

With the bombing reticles that most top tier jets get these days it's relatively easy to land such a small bomb with pinpoint accuracy and kill even a heavy pillbox or even a heavy tank.

To maximise bomb dropping accuracy you need to have as high of a weapons maintenance skill for your crew as you can, as it reduces bomb scatter by several meters when fully leveled.
Come in as stead as you can, drop as low as reasonable, between 600-800 kph so as to not receive accuracy debuffs from transsonic speed but not be a complete sitting duck. Also try to keep track of which pylon is dropping as you might need to slightly adjust your aim if the bomb that's gonna drop is wing mounted.
You could even use the automatic bomb drop feature to do all the work for you.

And if you're flying a plane that doesn't have any of those fancy features, once you get a good feel for the way the bomb drops you can get very good accuracy.

[꧁ YouTube = Rockboje ꧂]

hmm but u know that pillboxes was designed for protect by bombing?
if u see the UBoot Bunker in France how much direkt Bombing hits the got and wasnt destroyed.

Pillboxed same as Airfields and Bases or even Tanks.. higher BR need more TNT to destroy

[Graephen]

Originally posted by S-Array 03:

I'm very sure. I love taking a bomb laden Phantom to go groudnpounding in air RB, and 500Lbs is the way to get the most bombs aboard especially if you also want to bring missiles but more importantly gunpod in case of the F-4C.

The reason I prefer lots of 500 Lbs over rocket pods is that they are so much more accurate and require a lot less time on target which improves survivability. In one good run you can get probably half of the static ground targets making up the frontline if you fly it well and use a bit of guns here and there for the odd howitzer. Makes up for fantastic rewards at the end of the match too if you don't get interrupted halfway through, but that's why you do a custom loadout to bring some missiles.

With the bombing reticles that most top tier jets get these days it's relatively easy to land such a small bomb with pinpoint accuracy and kill even a heavy pillbox or even a heavy tank.

To maximise bomb dropping accuracy you need to have as high of a weapons maintenance skill for your crew as you can, as it reduces bomb scatter by several meters when fully leveled.
Come in as stead as you can, drop as low as reasonable, between 600-800 kph so as to not receive accuracy debuffs from transsonic speed but not be a complete sitting duck. Also try to keep track of which pylon is dropping as you might need to slightly adjust your aim if the bomb that's gonna drop is wing mounted.
You could even use the automatic bomb drop feature to do all the work for you.

And if you're flying a plane that doesn't have any of those fancy features, once you get a good feel for the way the bomb drops you can get very good accuracy.

I can hit light pillboxes reliably with the B7A2's 60kg bombs, so I think I'm ok.
Still, the reward for them feels extremely lacking.

Are you sure you're using the 500lbs? Seems a waste taking 24x bombs into battle - especially at high BR.

[Graephen]

Originally posted by ♪†♥ RockBoje №1 ♥†♪:

hmm but u know that pillboxes was designed for protect by bombing?
if u see the UBoot Bunker in France how much direkt Bombing hits the got and wasnt destroyed.

Pillboxed same as Airfields and Bases or even Tanks.. higher BR need more TNT to destroy

Yes. Which is why they aren't rewarding properly. War Thunder has about as much realism as comparing Chess to a medieval battle anyway.
To the second part of your comment - no shT mate.