why bombers are so nerfed???

[JaKa]

what the ♥♥♥♥ gaijin are thinking.... i have invested money on this game with the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bombers and now they are useless...

[Mr. Black]

What are you talking about? Context?

[JaKa]

about this https://forum.warthunder.com/t/are-bombers-now-too-fragile-to-play/8021/21

[IXI Shaun]

bombers is like flying for 30 sec's and wow their go's a wing!!

[The Grand Wizard]

Yes, bombers are very fragile and the nerf to the gunners range was a bad move

[CaptainSpacetime]

do people find bombers fun or is it just purely a gaining SL thing??

just seems so boring to play xp pinata for everyone else

[Boii Fan]

Originally posted by CaptainSpacetime:

do people find bombers fun or is it just purely a gaining SL thing??

just seems so boring to play xp pinata for everyone else

they can be fun, but they need team mates to be around to hunt the enemy fighters, since anything that doesnt have at minimum a 12.7 berezin or more is dead meat. lower ranks ( br 1-2.3) you can wing it with 2 light machineguns but anything higher you need 20mm or at least a heavy. They can farm SL nicely though, if you manage to avoid enemy fighters you can bomb a lot and get top 3 easily.

[CaptainSpacetime]

would be fun if there was a bomber escort mission type or something

[RXDimA]

Have you tried not getting hit? For example by going behind your team's fighters, or side climbing, or energy trapping (when appropriate). Some bombers can even dogfight, being manoeuvrable enough to dodge shots.

[Bu3(SW)]

Originally posted by twitch.tv/tiujakas:

what the ♥♥♥♥ gaijin are thinking.... i have invested money on this game with the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bombers and now they are useless...

People cried they couldnt kill bombers without going for blindspots so much gunners got nerfed. When that didnt save them they cried so much accuracy got nerfed too. Not they are 95% just flying targets.

[Catteus Of Mars]

you need 3 bombers to get trough to end the match.... there is A LOT more bombers in AB on both sides so most of em need to die without reaching target. this means hulls made of matches and guns shooting nerf darts in random directions :D

[Vermilion]

Bombers have always been pretty useless. Sure back in the day the AI gunners had laser blasters that would instantly KO anything near them but that's not exactly fun for anyone. I mean face it you're choosing to play a plane where you fly in a straight line towards a point, hit space a few times, then fly... well, I'd say fly back to land and rearm, but a lot of you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ just fly off to space in the corner of the map and hide. The game mode just isn't built for bombers. I have like 3,000 hours and I can count the number of times bombers have legitimately won a match by bombing on two hands. Maybe two hands and a foot at best.

[Waryth]

Originally posted by Vermilion:

Sure back in the day the AI gunners had laser blasters that would instantly KO anything near them but that's not exactly fun for anyone

I was there when these were a thing back then.

Bombers weren't being a bombers at that time. They were being used as GUNSHIPS instead of simply bombing actual targets.

Bombers with decent accuracy and defense and people abused it to hell. If you even maximize its full potential with a full squad and with a barrier of gunners that guarantees to wipe out a single fighter one at a time efficiently and bomb base that guarantees a win.

Gaijin nerfed it as the way it should be. Bombers being a bombers as they are now. They still fire in actual gun range like depicted in actual history guncam at that time and films. Firing beyond 1 KM is beyond ridiculous at this point but player can always use the manual AI gunner control to fire a 1 KM at the cost of your manoeuvrability which meant flying straight.

A good trade off for its purpose.

Yeah the actual way to play bombers now are bombers meant to fly with other bombs in a squad or simply ask a friend to escort you since nobody in the actual match will babysit a bomber. They don't queue to escort you. They queue to fight.

Bombers are classified as "support" class in this game in my POV. They're not the main character but a side character but hey its better than having a no bomber at all in this game right?

[biomike]

Originally posted by Waryth:

Originally posted by Vermilion:

Sure back in the day the AI gunners had laser blasters that would instantly KO anything near them but that's not exactly fun for anyone

Gaijin nerfed it as the way it should be. Bombers being a bombers as they are now. They still fire in actual gun range like depicted in actual history guncam at that time and films. Firing beyond 1 KM is beyond ridiculous at this point but player can always use the manual AI gunner control to fire a 1 KM at the cost of your manoeuvrability which meant flying straight.

Aced out gunners only fire if the target is at 300m or less
You say its historical but how close did fighters need to get to hit the bomber IRL

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by biomike:

Originally posted by Waryth:

Gaijin nerfed it as the way it should be. Bombers being a bombers as they are now. They still fire in actual gun range like depicted in actual history guncam at that time and films. Firing beyond 1 KM is beyond ridiculous at this point but player can always use the manual AI gunner control to fire a 1 KM at the cost of your manoeuvrability which meant flying straight.

Aced out gunners only fire if the target is at 300m or less
You say its historical but how close did fighters need to get to hit the bomber IRL

A fallacious argument if ever I saw one, anything under player control in warthunder can be used well out of what would be considered effective range in real life, they don’t lock your trigger if you want to spray and pray

this goes for aircraft gunners too if you can manage the extremely arduous task of multitasking flying straight and level while playing a point and click adventure. Don’t expect to go back to the days where a single b29 could account for multiple jets attacking it without any player input

[biomike]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Originally posted by biomike:

Aced out gunners only fire if the target is at 300m or less
You say its historical but how close did fighters need to get to hit the bomber IRL

A fallacious argument if ever I saw one, anything under player control in warthunder can be used well out of what would be considered effective range in real life, they don’t lock your trigger if you want to spray and pray

this goes for aircraft gunners too if you can manage the extremely arduous task of multitasking flying straight and level while playing a point and click adventure. Don’t expect to go back to the days where a single b29 could account for multiple jets attacking it without any player input

Im not asking for them to go back to being gunships but rather making it so the AI does something, cause as it is its not worth investing any skills into them