Tank only mode or nerf CAS already

[Silver]

CAS is becoming a massive plague. The majority of the vehicles in this game cannot defend themselves properly against it, many don't have .50 cals or even top mounted MGs. It's ridiculous how fast people can spawn it with no drawbacks and farm kills. Increase SP cost massively, especially if they have bombs. At least add the arcade plane system to RB as well, to reduce it at least somewhat.

A good alternative would be having a "tank only" mode and a "combined arms" mode. That way, people who enjoy getting bombed can get bombed in combined arms mode and people who would rather prefer to shoot ground vehicles in *ground* RB can play tank only mode.

[Ddinosaur]

>looks into combined arms game
>combined arms
>angy

[Nerv]

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>looks into combined arms game
>combined arms
>angy

so true

[Quagimus Decimus]

İlk olarak LordBUM tarafından gönderildi:

ok sure CAS could use with some balancing ill give you that but there will never be a tanks only mode gaijin has already said no a thousand times and the majority of players don't want it.

A review bomb change their stance on their shoddy economy.
If we decided as a collective to stop playing the game until they fix cas.. they would listen.

[Eftwyrd]

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İlk olarak LordBUM tarafından gönderildi:

ok sure CAS could use with some balancing ill give you that but there will never be a tanks only mode gaijin has already said no a thousand times and the majority of players don't want it.

A review bomb change their stance on their shoddy economy.
If we decided as a collective to stop playing the game until they fix cas.. they would listen.

despite being explained many many times none of you have got it into your heads, the flaw to this plan is again you are overestimating how many of you there are, by all means do this, we could all do with a laugh... ironic that you should mention the recent boycott because the reddit group lost far more support when they added this very demand than they gained trying to mobilise you whiners

'but i post on forums and other people post the same thing so we cant all be wrong' seems to be the beginning and ending of your ability to reason. look up the term vocal minority, its not just an insult we throw around, its literally a term for what you are. Even if you had a majority on this very forum (which you dont) that still wouldnt mean a thing because negative views like this are amplified out of proportion on forums.

'but that would make you a vocal minority too' would be the next flawed argument i most often see thrown out in response to this, again showing the posters ignorance. People coming to forums tend to be those with a bone to pick, hence the 'negative views amplified out of proportion', people who like the status quo don't come here to post 'i had a really good match today, this game is great' so it is extremely telling when a view is so unpopular on a forum full of negativity that more people come out to bat against it

[Quagimus Decimus]

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Sure thing CAS main.

I play combined arms like the game is intended to be played, you see it is only you people against aircraft that consider what you said to be an insult… you might draw all these negative conclusions in your head about us being pilots just out to bully tankers but that’s the only place that distinction exists, in your heads. This game from day one was aimed at those of us playing both,

And before the old fallacy is brought up the only reason air mode exists with ai ground targets is because no one who knows the slightest thing about actual air combat (people that fly like in a ground mode are the first to die when actual air combat takes place) would even think a ground vehicle could be effective there and it predates player ground vehicles. Personally I’m all for its removal to make combined arms the only option. I would argue having fighters airborne from the start would even lessen the impact of aircraft because actual fighters as you would see them in air modes would eat your average cas player alive, speed is life, altitude is life insurance in air combat and low flying attackers are just free kills

That's why in upper tiers when IFV's join the role of AA we watch the skies clear up REAL fast. It's those middle tiers where "SPAA" is most of the time useless. There's a few specific SPAA that do a good job at their roles, but the majority are just pew pew (drop bomb here or strafe).. and if you have a few decent pilots in the air with maxed out kits.. well the opposing team falls apart. *that doesn't happen as often in arcade.. because you don't get to select the exact op plane to use every time.

CAS in arcade is manageable.. in realistic it's a royal pain.

[Quagimus Decimus]

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İlk olarak Quagalicious tarafından gönderildi:

A review bomb change their stance on their shoddy economy.
If we decided as a collective to stop playing the game until they fix cas.. they would listen.

despite being explained many many times none of you have got it into your heads, the flaw to this plan is again you are overestimating how many of you there are, by all means do this, we could all do with a laugh... ironic that you should mention the recent boycott because the reddit group lost far more support when they added this very demand than they gained trying to mobilise you whiners

'but i post on forums and other people post the same thing so we cant all be wrong' seems to be the beginning and ending of your ability to reason. look up the term vocal minority, its not just an insult we throw around, its literally a term for what you are. Even if you had a majority on this very forum (which you dont) that still wouldnt mean a thing because negative views like this are amplified out of proportion on forums.

'but that would make you a vocal minority too' would be the next flawed argument i most often see thrown out in response to this, again showing the posters ignorance. People coming to forums tend to be those with a bone to pick, hence the 'negative views amplified out of proportion', people who like the status quo don't come here to post 'i had a really good match today, this game is great' so it is extremely telling when a view is so unpopular on a forum full of negativity that more people come out to bat against it

"how few of us"
game had it's review score dropped to 5%
you think everyone loves cas in this game? believe it's more than a handful.. and I've been on the official forums it's not a few. -but hey.. there's a few games in pre-alpha that will take a lot of players away from this game, and then you'll have no one to play with but.. bots?

[Raider]

inb4 cas noobs crawl out of there holes and start spouting a nonsense they made up decades ago called ''muh combined arms''

[Raider]

İlk olarak Ddinosaur tarafından gönderildi:

>looks into combined arms game
>combined arms
>angy

where does it say combined arms?

the mode is called GROUND realistic battles.

if you are sooooo into combined arms, just let us spawn SPAA in Air realistic too? after all aerial warfare involves missiles launched from the ground too... lets just see how these CAS noobs react once they realize how unfun it is to get blasted by a pantsir right after they take off

[Eftwyrd]

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İlk olarak Ddinosaur tarafından gönderildi:

>looks into combined arms game
>combined arms
>angy

where does it say combined arms?

the mode is called GROUND realistic battles.

if you are sooooo into combined arms, just let us spawn SPAA in Air realistic too? after all aerial warfare involves missiles launched from the ground too... lets just see how these CAS noobs react once they realize how unfun it is to get blasted by a pantsir right after they take off

besides being a sad state of affairs when you are relying on semantics to make your argument, that it is a ground battle doesn’t preclude air support, thats just your own prejudices speaking, personally I’ve never heard of a tank battle taking place in a cave or anywhere else aircraft couldn’t reach before but that would be too easy

If I were you I would start on the steam store page or if that’s too hard the gameplay section of warthunders wikipedia article, the main webpage of the game itself, gaijins patchnotes which refer to it as mixed or combined battles, interviews with the developers, Q&As where they have answered the ‘ground only’ question more than once, the main forums, reddit, these forums, hell even just a couple of days ago another developer posted right here for about the hundredth time that no you are not getting ground only. But apart from about a decade of accumulated documentation on just about every source you might choose to research the game nowhere at all…

Also again with the ground vehicles in air argument, be our guest, it only speaks to your own ignorance of how aircraft actually operate, you are used to seeing them low to the ground in a very confined space, in their own environment dogfights take place 5+ km up even at relatively low br on maps a hundred km across, even with a pantsir you could drive 30 minutes and never come into range of any aircraft that didn’t choose to attack you. Even if they spawned you dead centre of the map the furball could move several km in a matter of seconds. It’s not that air players are somehow favoured being kept safe from you, it’s that no one with the slightest sense thinks anyone would be masochistic enough to try. Even at br 2.7 Germany has a bomber that can exceed ten km altitude with access to the fritz-x guided bomb, what you see in ground modes is already heavily watered down, fight an aircraft on its own terms and you couldn’t even put up a fight

[Offline]

I really enjoy playing CAS but it is way too overpowered and unbalanced.
SPAA is most of the time useless. Yes I know, people don't know how to play SPAA but still you can't expect everyone to dedicate their life to playing SPAA, knowing the speed of planes and the muzzle velocity of all the guns.

I just had for example a match where i just captured one point and crit one tank.
Got enough SP to spawn a Skyraider with 40 rockets with 400mm pen.
Got 10 ground kills and only had to fly back to the airfield once.
SPAA was useless because rockets outrange them.
This was at BR 6.3.
Getting 10 easy kills with just a bit more than 500 SP is balance breaking and for the enemy team 0 fun.

[CloudsInTheSky]

The issue are not planes. The issue is the lack of more SPAA players and a better system to keep SPAAs alive long enough to clear the skies!

SPAAs are effective, but only in competent hands. Someone who plays casual would be frustrated with them, because they are tricky to use in combat and easy to destroy.

[Quagimus Decimus]

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I really enjoy playing CAS but it is way too overpowered and unbalanced.
SPAA is most of the time useless. Yes I know, people don't know how to play SPAA but still you can't expect everyone to dedicate their life to playing SPAA, knowing the speed of planes and the muzzle velocity of all the guns.

I just had for example a match where i just captured one point and crit one tank.
Got enough SP to spawn a Skyraider with 40 rockets with 400mm pen.
Got 10 ground kills and only had to fly back to the airfield once.
SPAA was useless because rockets outrange them.
This was at BR 6.3.
Getting 10 easy kills with just a bit more than 500 SP is balance breaking and for the enemy team 0 fun.

Not hard to win against a bunch of people who refuse to play scissors, in rock, paper, scissors, that gives anyone who does play scissors a 33% better chance, and also makes paper seem very over powered.

Ah yes, because SPAA is sooo accurate.
I've had games were I've shot down 3-4 cas in a SPAA (but the thing is my vehicle actually had armor.. and the crew was "inside" protected for the most part.) Open seated spaa? useless 90% of the time.

[j_rg]

Get better

[~[Amadeus]~]

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You know for a "small loud minority" that wants tank only gamemode, sure as hell this suggestion is brought up every time by a different individual, meanwhile, very loud opponents of additional "tank only gamemode" are same several people spamming every threat that is made about said gamemode.
Huh.. just an interesting observation.

It’s the same people every time though… even the ‘megathread’ they let fester for several thousand posts had more people mocking you clowns than people posting for it, if I am extremely generous there were maybe 50 unique posters (I doubt it was close to that but can’t be bothered actually counting) many of whome are still around posting the same old tripe

most of us that play more than a few matches see more people in aircraft everyday than came out to bat for a tank only mode in a several thousand post megathread. Talk yourselves up all you want but you are a minority gaijin have literally said they don’t care about, what are you going to do if you don’t get it, leave? Gaijin like us evidently thinks you wouldn’t even make a noticeable dent and have been ‘risking’ that outcome telling you no for near a decade

Even amongst the negatively inclined community the recent organised effort at a boycott by the self styled “players union” on reddit lost more support than they gained when they started trying to appease you clowns by adding your demands amongst the economy changes.

I would recommend you go take some university papers on statistics, you should know you are the dictionary definition of a vocal minority. Even the most rudimentary understanding of forum demographics will tell you the number of people with negative opinions here grossly misrepresent the proportion among the silent majority. Sad fact whether you like it or not is this game has tens of thousands of players perfectly content with the way things are and you sad few barking up the wrong tree are never going to amount to anything,

Even working in any kind of retail or hospitality position should teach you, someone having a positive experience has a minuscule chance of providing feedback compared to someone with a negative experience who will go out of their way to just about every time

You literally will never win and anyone with a brain can see it, you can accept reality and start posting ideas for rebalancing cas, I’ve posted more than a few myself. Or you can keep being irrelevant, it’s really up to you. I will keep posting either way, wouldn’t want to let you get too comfortable in your echo chamber thinking just because a few of you agree more must. Laughing at your sad efforts to refute this keeps me amused at least

Is this "silent majority of people that like cas" is with us in the room right now?
Its clear as day that you and people like you are part of the cas problem. You love abusing cas to get cheap and easy kills with near zero effort.
"O, high and mighty silent majority cas enjoyer" would you kindly provide a reason why there shouldn't just be added an additional gamemode without cas, while keeping "combined arms" in game, just to shut up this "very loud minority of people that hate playing against cas"? You cannot. Because you are simply afraid of the fact that way more people will choose to play mode without cas, so you will be left with much fewer targets to get easy kills on. There is literally no downside to simply adding a new gamemode while keeping the previous one in place. It shuts up people who continue to ask for it, but it keeps the current one so those who like the cas aspect have their fun and gaijin has their money from selling cas premiums. Everybody wins. But you dont want that, do you?

[InquisitorSoran]

No, it's always the guys that camp in the best positions with the most competitive vehicles who screech in chat when they get bombed.
The idea that I can help my team by killing a problematic player, get free lions (they will not move at all, very good player) AND bring said enemy player into the chat, frothing at the mouth as they screech "CAS NOOB" all because I stopped their 8 kill streak, is the kind of fun and satisfaction that I can't effectively put into words, it's what makes the world turn and stars shine in the sky at night.