T72 TURMS is pay to win

[Tom_Joad]

These are the kind of vehicles we are talking about, when someone is complaining about pay to win. TURMS need a BR of at least 11.3 if u compare it with german leopards.

[devious little creature]

Originally posted by Tom_Joad:

These are the kind of vehicles we are talking about, when someone is complaining about pay to win. TURMS need a BR of at least 11.3 if u compare it with german leopards.

You are delusional, the turms is garbage compared to leopard 2a4's, i believe you main germany and germoids arent really skilled players so let me brief you on how the leopard beats the turms

1. Mobility, better engine, neutral steering.
2. Much better fire control system
3.turret rotation speed
4. The armor is somewhat the same
The turms is better in only thermals and maybe firepower

[Wandering Flare]

Only thing it really has going for it is ammo that refuses to detonate, otherwise I've no issues killing them in my 1A5.

[Bu3(SW)]

Originally posted by devious little creature:

Originally posted by Tom_Joad:

These are the kind of vehicles we are talking about, when someone is complaining about pay to win. TURMS need a BR of at least 11.3 if u compare it with german leopards.

You are delusional, the turms is garbage compared to leopard 2a4's, i believe you main germany and germoids arent really skilled players so let me brief you on how the leopard beats the turms

1. Mobility, better engine, neutral steering.
2. Much better fire control system
3.turret rotation speed
4. The armor is somewhat the same
The turms is better in only thermals and maybe firepower

You skipped depression and reverse speed

[Wandering Flare]

Originally posted by Venom Thanos:

Rubbish tank, no reverse gear at all, imagine you are in top tier and everything is speed and your reverse gear is worse than ww1 heavy tanks. I'm wondering why no one seems to complaint about Abrams? the turret face, ufp and lfp is composite that stops most rounds, if anything they are the harder to kill unless you could hit the tiny gap between the turret ring, and... it can reverse.

Abrams suffers from "huge lower plate" syndrome, making it very easy to kill unless you encounter one fighting hull down, which defeats the purpose of its mobility.

[julioalberto1324]

I have both turms and Leo 2a4 Pz. Btl 123 and i constantly have better games on the Leopard. You can place you shots easier and faster due to superior mobility and gun handling. The Leopard has better survivability too imo (it also has blowout panels which saves you from ammo detonation.

[MashedPotatoww]

So Mr. Germany suffers:

Turms have horrible gun handling, no mobility and no actual reliable armor with most of US and German darts being able to pen even your ufp with ease. The only thing that Turms got going for itself is it's great optics otherwise it's a hot garbage of a tank. It's not even close to being op, it's more like you have a serious skill issue.

Premium Leo and Abrams are miles ahead of this tank.

[Shyue Chou]

No, this really isn't a good premium, it is rather underwhelming, there are far better premiums than this.

[DoomsdayDuck555]

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

Originally posted by Venom Thanos:

Rubbish tank, no reverse gear at all, imagine you are in top tier and everything is speed and your reverse gear is worse than ww1 heavy tanks. I'm wondering why no one seems to complaint about Abrams? the turret face, ufp and lfp is composite that stops most rounds, if anything they are the harder to kill unless you could hit the tiny gap between the turret ring, and... it can reverse.

Abrams suffers from "huge lower plate" syndrome, making it very easy to kill unless you encounter one fighting hull down, which defeats the purpose of its mobility.

also hulldown spots you can still be overpressured with the soviet 125 he nukes, and your turret ring might be exposed too

[FizzyElf]

Originally posted by Tom_Joad:

These are the kind of vehicles we are talking about, when someone is complaining about pay to win. TURMS need a BR of at least 11.3 if u compare it with german leopards.

While I will say I would feel safer driving a Turms than my Leo 2A4, it is in no way on par with a Leopard 2PL at 11.3 and there is no reason to bump it up that high especially when stronger vehicles exist in the russian tree like the T-72 Moderna which is far superior to the Turms and does quite well even in 11.7 lineups because of it's top round, optics and ERA.

If you want a "pay to win" style premium look at the T-55AM-1 or 2S38, one of which maintains a ridiculous BR and the other is able to compete with (and in my opinion out match) it's 11.0 counterparts the HSTVL and Otomatic whilst being at a much lower BR, having better optics and a built in tracking system that puts it on par with the otomatic while also avoiding the radar warning issue so you can track and fire without the plane/heli freaking the hell out the second you lock them. I don't own the Turms but I do own both of these little bastards and they do incredibly well in matches (actually I run them together and the T-55 does fine inspite of the uptier though that is likely more a skill thing than the vehicle itself as the tank is not 9.7+ material)

[♕Canario]

I don't have the t72 turms but a friend does, it's a t72A with reactive armor, better optics, thermals. But it has a pretty big problem, it shoots the same bullet as a Russian 9.7 tank, and it can't take a frontal shot from a leo 2a4, which the 9.7 can. Not to say that he is a Russian and mobility, better not to talk. Doesn't look like a good tank to me at all

[JetWash]

Once the sales slow down gaijin will nerf or uptier it to irrelevance just like the T20, I miss when that was 5.3. It's their classic bait and switch, they do it with every premium.

[offline for a year in 4 days]

They have the same t72 weakspots and disadvantages. Either shoot through driver port or lower glacis. You don't really rely on armor at top tier (unless hull down), whoever shoots first usually wins. leos have good mobility compared to t72s, utilize that aspect and catch them in flanks you dont have to face them head on (considering you know map layout well)

[Charmander787]

Originally posted by Abinadi:

Originally posted by devious little creature:

You are delusional, the turms is garbage compared to leopard 2a4's, i believe you main germany and germoids arent really skilled players so let me brief you on how the leopard beats the turms

1. Mobility, better engine, neutral steering.
2. Much better fire control system
3.turret rotation speed
4. The armor is somewhat the same
The turms is better in only thermals and maybe firepower

You skipped depression and reverse speed

Arguably the 2 most important features for top tier combat.

[Charmander787]

Ur dog ass if you cant kill TURMS in a 2a4

[nosh]

Originally posted by Tom_Joad:

These are the kind of vehicles we are talking about, when someone is complaining about pay to win. TURMS need a BR of at least 11.3 if u compare it with german leopards.

Compare TURMS to any regular Tech Tree soviet T-72 at this BR and you'll very soon realize why it's pay to win. Pro tip... what are all the regulars lacking? There you go.