Challenger 2 E

[N0rmaN]

Do we know where in the tech tree its being added? currently halfway through the challenger 2 F and may just quit playing ground if they ♥♥♥♥ me yet again by putting it in between what ive got and what im researching.

[magazine2]

Not confirmed but you can probably make a guess. Just take a look whenever the dev server releases for this update.

[Mordegar]

Adding another Challenger 2 instead of a Warrior CTAS, well not my primary choice but i take it nontheless.

[Shadowm8g4]

i just finished my first Challenger 2. if this falls into that tree it means another one before the Black Night :( sigh,i wish they would break some of the nations late tree's up a bit (like the russian and swedish ones). The british and american ones are a real slog atm

[Antiriad]

Originally posted by Col. Cornbread:

Originally posted by Antiriad:

i was going to grind out Black Knight. but those Challies are so damn slow man! seriously? How can you have fun staying at the back and sniping all day long.... Maybe the 2E will change that, but surely a tank from 1998 can't be a BR 11,3?

M1A2 Abrams, 11.3
1992 production

let me rephrase that.

Surely a British tank from 1998 can't be a BR 11.3?

[shipdesignerdude]

Originally posted by Antiriad:

Originally posted by Col. Cornbread:

M1A2 Abrams, 11.3
1992 production

let me rephrase that.

Surely a British tank from 1998 can't be a BR 11.3?

Why not? We've got newer and older vehicles at the BR. Shouldn't go higher because A) Dates don't matter and B) It's going to be bad.

[Antiriad]

Originally posted by shipdesignerdude:

Originally posted by Antiriad:

let me rephrase that.

Surely a British tank from 1998 can't be a BR 11.3?

Why not? We've got newer and older vehicles at the BR. Shouldn't go higher because A) Dates don't matter and B) It's going to be bad.

because british tanks are the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tanks the world has ever seen, consistently ten years behind the state of the art, and frankly a shoddy embarassment since we invented the concept. How can a 1992 Abrams tank be the same as 2019 challenger 2 tank? Real life tanks I'm talking now. Please explain.

[Re-170]

Originally posted by Antiriad:

Originally posted by shipdesignerdude:

Why not? We've got newer and older vehicles at the BR. Shouldn't go higher because A) Dates don't matter and B) It's going to be bad.

because british tanks are the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tanks the world has ever seen, consistently ten years behind the state of the art, and frankly a shoddy embarassment since we invented the concept. How can a 1992 Abrams tank be the same as 2019 challenger 2 tank? Real life tanks I'm talking now. Please explain.

Give me some of what you having because I think your brain is full of drunk :O

[Antiriad]

Originally posted by Re-170:

Originally posted by Antiriad:

because british tanks are the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tanks the world has ever seen, consistently ten years behind the state of the art, and frankly a shoddy embarassment since we invented the concept. How can a 1992 Abrams tank be the same as 2019 challenger 2 tank? Real life tanks I'm talking now. Please explain.

Give me some of what you having because I think your brain is full of drunk :O

Tell me which british tank is revered as legend or made the crucial difference in any war of significancer? Russia has the T34 or even the T72. Germany the Tiger, now the leopard. America brought the Sherman and arguably the abrams is the worlds best tank. What's left? Cromwell tank never even saw service. Chieftain was never proven in serious combat. Challenger is a slow hulking quixotic beast that nobody covets and the Brits put up with.

Sorry to burst the bubble but.... Frustrating that there is not more investment.

[hsf_]

Challenger 2E will be another 11.3, probably after the Black Night or just before it.

[Antiriad]

Originally posted by hsf_:

Challenger 2E will be another 11.3, probably after the Black Night or just before it.

But thats my whole point here. How can a 1998 tank be the same BR as the 2019 Black Knight? That's a full 21 years of tecnology development.

If it is 11.3, either something has gone badly wrong with British tank design or somehow the BR's don't reflect reality...

[N0rmaN]

Originally posted by Antiriad:

Originally posted by Re-170:

Give me some of what you having because I think your brain is full of drunk :O

Tell me which british tank is revered as legend or made the crucial difference in any war of significancer? Russia has the T34 or even the T72. Germany the Tiger, now the leopard. America brought the Sherman and arguably the abrams is the worlds best tank. What's left? Cromwell tank never even saw service. Chieftain was never proven in serious combat. Challenger is a slow hulking quixotic beast that nobody covets and the Brits put up with.

Sorry to burst the bubble but.... Frustrating that there is not more investment.

Because british tanks have pretty much always been the best when they are developed and then 2 or 3 years later the US releases their next gen of tank. For example, Challenger 1 was the best tank around when it was first introduced apart from speed. the 120 became the standard following the chally 1. Not a single one of them was lost in DS to enemy fire and it still holds the longest kill in history.

Challenger 2 has had a reputation as a very tough tank since it was introduced and again, no loses to enemy fire despite being tested in almost every way.

Chieftain was one of the best tanks of the old generation, before thermals became the norm. It lacked speed again but british tank doctrine has never held speed as its most important factor.

The biggest issue is that modern british tanks have always had poor timing when it comes to actual conflicts. Chieftain never got a chance to show how good it was. Challenger was in service for a decade before it went to the middle east by which time there were newer american tanks.

As an example of the timing that often makes them look worse than they are. When it was introduced the challenger mk 1 was superior to its american counterparts in every way bar mobility. Two years of technological advancement later the USA introduced the stock M1A1 using a lot of lessons learned by the british in the development of the challenger. The result? 2 fairly equal tanks with a slight overall edge to the abrams but plenty of advantages for the challenger.

Another thing to bare in mind, tank battles often dont occur at 10 feet like they do in the game, the challenger suffers the most from the cramped maps at top tier than any other vehicle because it was designed as a long range hull down brawler. not a fast manuevering tank like the abrams.

[Colonel Jason]

Originally posted by Antiriad:

Originally posted by Re-170:

Give me some of what you having because I think your brain is full of drunk :O

Tell me which british tank is revered as legend or made the crucial difference in any war of significancer? Russia has the T34 or even the T72. Germany the Tiger, now the leopard. America brought the Sherman and arguably the abrams is the worlds best tank. What's left? Cromwell tank never even saw service. Chieftain was never proven in serious combat. Challenger is a slow hulking quixotic beast that nobody covets and the Brits put up with.

Sorry to burst the bubble but.... Frustrating that there is not more investment.

Chieftain was one of the strongest tanks when it entered service with its powerfull cannon with both good crew layout and good armor,engine was lackluster but fixed later on.And Iranian Chieftains saw service on Iraqi-Irani with mixed result.It was Britain's both economy and doctrine made their tanks lack in some areas.They preferred firepower and armor over to mobility as their main doctrine was defence mostly.

[hsf_]

Originally posted by Antiriad:

Originally posted by Re-170:

Give me some of what you having because I think your brain is full of drunk :O

Tell me which british tank is revered as legend or made the crucial difference in any war of significancer? Russia has the T34 or even the T72. Germany the Tiger, now the leopard. America brought the Sherman and arguably the abrams is the worlds best tank. What's left? Cromwell tank never even saw service. Chieftain was never proven in serious combat. Challenger is a slow hulking quixotic beast that nobody covets and the Brits put up with.

Sorry to burst the bubble but.... Frustrating that there is not more investment.

Tell me you know nothing about British tanks without telling me you know nothing about British tanks.

Let's start with your obvious error which is the Cromwell not being in service. Perhaps you should look up "The Battle of Villers Bocage" where several Cromwell tanks were ambushed and destroyed. There are quite a few images from this battle which show destroyed Cromwells.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Villers-Bocage
Unfortunately there is also an image of the halftrack that my Great Uncle Alfred was in, which was destroyed while he was inside ushering everyone out. This is the image with the caption "The Wreckage of the 1st Rifle Brigade transport Column".

Challenger 1 has the official record for the longest tank-on-tank kill, which was over 5 km in distance.
https://special-ops.org/longest-tank-kill-history/
It was also highly regarded by the British tank crews.

Challenger 2 has never been destroyed in combat by enemy fire. The only case of a Challenger 2 being destroyed was a friendly fire incident in Basra 2003 by another Challenger 2.
https://special-ops.org/challenger-2-tank-never-destroyed-in-battle/

As for your "consistently 10 years behind" comment in an earlier post, you couldn't be more wrong. It has one of the most advanced fire control systems in the world, arguably the best armour profile in the world(which is also in the Abrams) and it has one of the most sophisticated electronics system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re-zMIOtSk0
I'm going to guess that you only think it's 'out of date' because of the rifled gun.

[shipdesignerdude]

Originally posted by Antiriad:

Originally posted by hsf_:

Challenger 2E will be another 11.3, probably after the Black Night or just before it.

But thats my whole point here. How can a 1998 tank be the same BR as the 2019 Black Knight? That's a full 21 years of tecnology development.

If it is 11.3, either something has gone badly wrong with British tank design or somehow the BR's don't reflect reality...

Who would've guessed that BR's dont give two ♥♥♥♥♥ about reality. Why is the Yak-38 at 9.7 or 9.3 (I don't remember which) Despite being from the 70s? Surely it being 20 years after the Sabre Dog matters! It doesn't! Because the role it was designed for isn't relevant in WT, like others have said of the Challenger. The Weasel 1A4 should go straight to 9.3, to put it with the T-64s it would've fought against.

Also British tanks are almost as popular history wise as German tanks, with all of their post war MBTs being heralded as the best and game changers.

[hsf_]

Originally posted by Antiriad:

Originally posted by hsf_:

Challenger 2E will be another 11.3, probably after the Black Night or just before it.

But thats my whole point here. How can a 1998 tank be the same BR as the 2019 Black Knight? That's a full 21 years of tecnology development.

If it is 11.3, either something has gone badly wrong with British tank design or somehow the BR's don't reflect reality...

This game isn't an accurate representation of real life. This game has a bias toward mobile vehicles - which the Challenger 2E will be.