why are the most overpowered german tanks in 5.0-5.3

[SadlyItsDaniel]

We dont even get a breather from the ♥♥♥♥ show from the Hard biased german tanks and they immediately start throwing tigers at us against our tanks that cant even penetrate a car. Seriously can you devs stop sucking the german mains ♥♥♥♥♥ and actually do something nice for the others and uptier the tigers? Or are you gonna be a bunch of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and keep the tiger at the same level because you want money

[Ihatetrainyards]

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Because it's not similar. german tanks at 5.3 are just noticeably better at everything except mobility, also the stabilizers only work in city maps.

They are not, and stabilizers are always handy.

But hey, keep crying rather then learning to play the game effectively.

Every TT has tanks that can handle Germans at 5.0-5.3.

Yeah they can handle German tanks, stop putting words in my mouth.
Doesn't change the fact that German tanks are just objectively the strongest at their BR, especially after the IS-2 got bumped up for no reason.

[Toblm]

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They are not, and stabilizers are always handy.

But hey, keep crying rather then learning to play the game effectively.

Every TT has tanks that can handle Germans at 5.0-5.3.

Yeah they can handle German tanks, stop putting words in my mouth.
Doesn't change the fact that German tanks are just objectively the strongest at their BR, especially after the IS-2 got bumped up for no reason.

I'll take the UK 5.3 lineup any day over the German.
Watching Tigers and Panthers try to scurry back into cover or better angle because they not dont have a gunner/breech and death is coming in 5 secs is endless fun.

[flat_Lander1]

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Long reload? So this argument only works for germany?

Not if we ask you as you don't think it's worth mentioning for some reason.

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IS-2 (6.0 btw) has almost 30sec reload and $hit armour for its tier but people still complain about it being OP (mainly german players) and it doesn't matter for them that it has such a long reload (205 of pen btw not a lot higher than panther at 5.0)
also dicker max has 10sec reload and emil is 15 thats not a long reload for this kind of vehicles

IS-2 has ♥♥♥♥ armor as a counter argument but you don't give that as an argument for the Sturer in the first place?

And a 120mm shell with 250g of explosives might be worth mentioning as well instead of nitpicking stats.
Not remotely the same performance as a 75mm shell with 28g of TNT.

Also feel free to point out all these German players complaining about the IS-2 being OP, would love to see some examples, I'll wait.

yeah sure buddy you started talking about long reload as a SOLE reason thos tanks are really bad (only germany suffers)
>And a 120mm shell with 250g of explosives might be worth mentioning as well instead of nitpicking stats.
Not remotely the same performance as a 75mm shell with 28g of TNT.
not remotely the same performance? 192 and 205 OK. So why panthers are still point n click one shot everyone same as IS while IS has a lot more drawbacks?
do you want an example? IS-2 was always overtiered and couple months back gaijin increased its BR even higher to 6.0 (yeah sure they increased it without any reason OK) So why panthers and tigers are still having same low BR?
also you can search steam forum using keywords, its not that hard

[flat_Lander1]

also funny how you say bad reverse speed is a very strong downside while same people say that almost every soviet tank having abysmal reverse speed is somehow fine especially at top tier (t72 having -4km/h) doesnt matter to the soviets but really huge downside to germans?

[flat_Lander1]

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Just look up the threads that were made when the IS-2 got raised to 6.0 straight outta ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nowhere just to pander to wehraboos like yourself, seeing people pretend the formerly 5.7 IS-2 is in any way competitive with a King Tiger or Jagdpanther was the funniest ♥♥♥♥ I've ever seen.

I didn't see anyone ask for it, and anyone who thinks vehicles get changed to pander is delusional, Gaijin treats their spreadsheets like a sacred document and doesn't stray from it, if the IS-2 got raised it's because of the performance, nothing more, nothing less.

Must be some different universe you exists in, I never see people ask for Tigers to be lowered in BR either but according to the freeaboos that's a daily thing.

And who is the wehraboo exactly? Me who is saying Tigers are okay, or people like you who pretend German tanks are god tier vehicles? Pretty sure the latter is what wehraboos believe so pretty weird how you're turning this around.

gaijin changing BR according to germany complaining and by how much vehicle is earning SL but even then any IS has high repair cost so you need to kill a lot of people just to get even

[flat_Lander1]

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(only germany suffers)

Says who? I didn't say that at all, stop creating a narrative.

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So why panthers are still point n click one shot everyone same as IS while IS has a lot more drawbacks?
do you want an example? IS-2 was always overtiered and couple months back gaijin increased its BR even higher to 6.0 (yeah sure they increased it without any reason OK) So why panthers and tigers are still having same low BR?
also you can search steam forum using keywords, its not that hard

Panthers also have drawbacks, but you refuse to acknowledge them, and IS-2s aren't as bad as you pretend they are.

IS-2 went up in BR because of the stats, Panthers and Tigers didn't because of the stats.

what drawbacks? those drawbacks that any tank in the game also has?

[Ihatetrainyards]

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Just look up the threads that were made when the IS-2 got raised to 6.0 straight outta ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nowhere just to pander to wehraboos like yourself, seeing people pretend the formerly 5.7 IS-2 is in any way competitive with a King Tiger or Jagdpanther was the funniest ♥♥♥♥ I've ever seen.

I didn't see anyone ask for it, and anyone who thinks vehicles get changed to pander is delusional, Gaijin treats their spreadsheets like a sacred document and doesn't stray from it, if the IS-2 got raised it's because of the performance, nothing more, nothing less.

Must be some different universe you exists in, I never see people ask for Tigers to be lowered in BR either but according to the freeaboos that's a daily thing.

And who is the wehraboo exactly? Me who is saying Tigers are okay, or people like you who pretend German tanks are god tier vehicles? Pretty sure the latter is what wehraboos believe so pretty weird how you're turning this around.

Weren't you the one coping about in that very thread pretending it's OK the IS-2 got uptiered despite it being the only tank that could fight the germans on their own terms?

[flat_Lander1]

Escrito originalmente por Mirage:

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(only germany suffers)

Says who? I didn't say that at all, stop creating a narrative.

Escrito originalmente por flat_Lander1:

So why panthers are still point n click one shot everyone same as IS while IS has a lot more drawbacks?
do you want an example? IS-2 was always overtiered and couple months back gaijin increased its BR even higher to 6.0 (yeah sure they increased it without any reason OK) So why panthers and tigers are still having same low BR?
also you can search steam forum using keywords, its not that hard

Panthers also have drawbacks, but you refuse to acknowledge them, and IS-2s aren't as bad as you pretend they are.

IS-2 went up in BR because of the stats, Panthers and Tigers didn't because of the stats.

yeah sure every tech tree gets nerfer except germany this must be them performing miles better than germany at any BR hahaha
tell that to every sub nation tech tree when they all are suffering overtiers and high repair costs

[flat_Lander1]

american and french vehicles are so OP that gaijin increases every possible tank's BR and repair cost in those tech trees

[flat_Lander1]

but muh german vehicles are so weak that panther should be 3.3 and tier 3 so i can grind stupid ass events tier 2 is bad cuz no events

[flat_Lander1]

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gaijin changing BR according to germany complaining and by how much vehicle is earning SL but even then any IS has high repair cost so you need to kill a lot of people just to get even

You're at least 50% correct.

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yeah sure every tech tree gets nerfer except germany this must be them performing miles better than germany at any BR hahaha
tell that to every sub nation tech tree when they all are suffering overtiers and high repair costs

Yeah, Germany never gets nerfed, this is definitely a factual statement you've supported with evidence and arguments and not just a weird claim.

Definitely was Germany that dominated top tier for like 2 years and not Russia.. that's what happened.

last time germany was nerfed is when leopard 1 got its repair price increased so now its the same as with everyone (such a huge nerf cant play it anymore, )say hello to uk tanks)) or PUMA getting BR increase from 8.3 to 9.3 WOW it was soo balanced at 8.3 and i think it should have been even lower like 5.3
hahaha NEVER EVER GERMANY DOMINATED TOP TIER (or any tier)
okay dude end of the conversation you are delusional
keep defending your totally not undertiered tanks and handheld nation

[flat_Lander1]

man gaijin is so harsh on germany muh puma is 9.3 now instead of 8.3 maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan stupid gaijin how could they STOP NERFING GERMANY NOW OR ELSE

[SadlyItsDaniel]

germany is being handheld by gaijin 24/7 getting little to 0 nerfs while every gets the loose end of the rope

[Haegler]

As a german main I have to agree with some of the opposition here that Tiger H1s and Panther Ds are very much killable.

However, I also have to agree with the OP that German 5.3 tanks are markedly better than their opposition. Barely even a question.

[Ihatetrainyards]

Escrito originalmente por Haegler:

As a german main I have to agree with some of the opposition here that Tiger H1s and Panther Ds are very much killable.

However, I also have to agree with the OP that German 5.3 tanks are markedly better than their opposition. Barely even a question.

I don't think anyone is claiming that they are invulnerable, just that they are the strongest tanks at their BR and strangely at a lower BR than the T25, T20 and M26 while being equal.