top tier jets unbalanced and hell

[[82DK] Oliiihotshot]

this game has one the most unbalanced cancerish air games in top tier i have ever seen in games, and now with the new updates its even more cancer. mig23ml in 11.3 stock no flares no nothing cant do nothing dont even have full aspect missiles to start so cant do nothing, as well as other nations jets shouldn't be now any where near 11.0. the needs be massive restructuring in br for so many top tier jets and they need be brought down to like 10.7 or 10.3. the mig23m should be 11.0 should be 10.7 its terrible jet.

also wtf is 9.7 jet doing in 9.7 if it doesn't have flares and the missiles can only go 10g and are dog crap. the jet in question is mig-21s(R-13-300) even its radar missiles suck cause half the time u got radar lock but the missile just refuses to lock or shot wtf. how come half the jets at 9.7 or around the have no flares or nothing while they go up against aim9L missiles and jets with flares attached to it. the is nothing you can do. the needs be massive overhaul in jet br now with apex predator its more unbalanced than its ever been and more cancer than i can take.

the case for the mig23m is giant wtf moment really 1.1k your adding on for repair costs for flare module which is absurd cause wtf AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITH 10 FLARES!!!!! its slower than other jets at that tier and cant turn well and bulky. german jets also suffer and other nations. some times america suffers as well but at moment they got most broken top tier jets (i also fight how broken russian ground units are we all know it).

the 11.7 mig29 and f16 only get down tiered now so almost every match in the 11,0 mig23 and other nations its hell and i just dont even play them any more i went back to 9.7 level up till im in the mig29 cause its cancer other wise. the 9.7 mig21 is alright can be fast but cant turn or dodge missiles almost at all just move stuff around and or add flares to these things or to most jets, im not even asking for better missiles even though the absolute trash for what they go up against. but in the very least give flares. cause wtf are jets in the 9.7 region and 10.0 region doing with out flares and only having 10g missiles going up against jets with flares and 18g missiles or higher is absurd and busted. im not bothering touching any jets in the 11.0 area it aint worth it or fun stay to below 10.7 or 10.3 until u unlock the 11.7 or 11.3 cause other wise you'll just get rolled. with each update the balance is more and more worse

[Mania]

I've played maybe 3-5 hours with the F-16. I have only been downtiered once.

[76561198315424152]

Copy/paste

Decompress, raise br ceiling & separate old jets from missile thunder by make so that aam/flares equipped: br bump to 10.3. Separate jet generations better too...

(6.7-9.0 aam free)
Early missile thunder 10.3-11.7
Gen 2 10.7(stock/no aam or flares)-12.7 with flares/aam
Gen 3 12.7-14.0
Gen 4 15.0

Something like this.. with some exceptions, just a guesstimate of how much separation & br ceiling raise is needed to level the fields and base it on performance. Speed/acceleration/climb rate/turn/&weapons.

Someone more active and more knowledgable with jets, like ^Jaes 👻 could be hired to fix the ratings on the jet ranks... im 100% he'd do a good job.

It's been like 4 years since the aam & supersonic introduction now, been saying this from day1. time to do the neccesary changes or what. Or what should people buy premium acc for? To reach high ranks they really dont care to balance, not increase map sizes etc. just introduce new tech stomping old tech once in a while? Old jet tech, gen 1 & 2 that people payed for to reach btw. including premium f86s, this, that, and accounts. yeah not very convincing.

[76561198315424152]

Originally posted by Mirage:

We probably need like 20 BRs for any of it to make sense.

Really, that high? I think closer to 15 could do it but rather too much than too little like it is now. Right now/past 4 years it looks like they're trolling.

[MaDeuce]

You guys don't understand ♥♥♥♥ about this game product.

How does anything mentioned make Gaijin more money?

[76561198315424152]

Originally posted by MaDeuce:

You guys don't understand ♥♥♥♥ about this game product.

How does anything mentioned make Gaijin more money?

You are kidding or?

[MaDeuce]

Originally posted by Tidsloop:

Originally posted by MaDeuce:

You guys don't understand ♥♥♥♥ about this game product.

How does anything mentioned make Gaijin more money?

You are kidding or?

Hell no I'm not kidding.
You're lucky they don't charge you for jet fuel. If you think they give two ♥♥♥♥♥ about fixing anything that doesn't have the potential to generate more revenue then you must be new here.

If people stopped playing in protest of the garbage that has plagued this game product then maybe things would change, but the player count has been increasing... that means the suits look at the numbers and double down on stupid.

[Flavalicious]

Originally posted by Tidsloop:

Originally posted by MaDeuce:

You guys don't understand ♥♥♥♥ about this game product.

How does anything mentioned make Gaijin more money?

You are kidding or?

No he knows whats up.

Gaijin is here to make bank, not to provide a fun and enjoyable video game. lol

[Flavalicious]

Originally posted by MaDeuce:

Originally posted by Tidsloop:

You are kidding or?

Hell no I'm not kidding.
You're lucky they don't charge you for jet fuel. If you think they give two ♥♥♥♥♥ about fixing anything that doesn't have the potential to generate more revenue then you must be new here.

Bro! Don't give them ideas lol. Going to start pay locking the 2nd engine on twin turbine jets behind a paywall if you keep it up :D

[76561198315424152]

Originally posted by Flavalicious:

Originally posted by Tidsloop:

You are kidding or?

No he knows whats up.

Gaijin is here to make bank, not to provide a fun and enjoyable video game. lol

Quality & good reputation gives more revenue, more willingness to support & more players recommending the game to friends...

[Flavalicious]

Originally posted by Tidsloop:

Originally posted by Flavalicious:

No he knows whats up.

Gaijin is here to make bank, not to provide a fun and enjoyable video game. lol

Quality & good reputation gives more revenue, more willingness to support, more players recommending the game to friends...

*Laughs in Russian game publisher.

[MaDeuce]

Originally posted by Tidsloop:

Originally posted by Flavalicious:

No he knows whats up.

Gaijin is here to make bank, not to provide a fun and enjoyable video game. lol

Quality & good reputation gives more revenue, more willingness to support, more players recommending the game to friends...

When the economy was good and things made sense War Thunder had around 20k steam players. Now that the economy is broken and nothing makes sense War Thunder has around 80k steam players.

So how would you approach Gaijin, with a straight face, and tell them they need to change?

[Flavalicious]

Originally posted by MaDeuce:

Originally posted by Tidsloop:

Quality & good reputation gives more revenue, more willingness to support, more players recommending the game to friends...

When the economy was good and things made sense War Thunder had around 20k steam players. Now that the economy is broken and nothing makes sense War Thunder has around 80k steam players.

So how would you approach Gaijin, with a straight face, and tell them they need to change?

My mans an OG. I remember the whole reason why Gaijin said they could decompress the BRs was because it would divide the player base too much.

Seems like a non issue now, but obviously leaving it as it is = good enough lol

♥♥♥♥ when i installed this game your player level would unlock 2-6 planes everytime you dinged, you didnt have to research vehicles 1 by 1.

the real sadness is theres only 2 games in this specific genre. And they are both F2P whaling enterprises from the same region of the earth.

[MaDeuce]

Originally posted by Flavalicious:

Originally posted by MaDeuce:

When the economy was good and things made sense War Thunder had around 20k steam players. Now that the economy is broken and nothing makes sense War Thunder has around 80k steam players.

So how would you approach Gaijin, with a straight face, and tell them they need to change?

My mans an OG. I remember the whole reason why Gaijin said they could decompress the BRs was because it would divide the player base too much.

Seems like a non issue now, but obviously leaving it as it is = good enough lol

♥♥♥♥ when i installed this game your player level would unlock 2-6 planes everytime you dinged, you didnt have to research vehicles 1 by 1.

That's a good point about the BR decompressing. Do you know where they posted that reason? It should be dug up and shared.

[Flavalicious]

Originally posted by MaDeuce:

Originally posted by Flavalicious:

My mans an OG. I remember the whole reason why Gaijin said they could decompress the BRs was because it would divide the player base too much.

Seems like a non issue now, but obviously leaving it as it is = good enough lol

♥♥♥♥ when i installed this game your player level would unlock 2-6 planes everytime you dinged, you didnt have to research vehicles 1 by 1.

That's a good point about the BR decompressing. Do you know where they posted that reason? It should be dug up and shared.

oh man, been a long time. If i had to guess a range it was around 2017-2018. Was a few threads about it on the official forums, probably a nightmare to track down. I'll see if i can find any post history on my account from it

the theory was too many brackets and the queue times would go up between games. Was around the time they added "join in progress" as an option for match making to help combine lobbies and cut queue times. Used to be pretty common to get 6-8 players per side in those days before the changes.

[76561198315424152]

Originally posted by MaDeuce:

Originally posted by Tidsloop:

Quality & good reputation gives more revenue, more willingness to support, more players recommending the game to friends...

When the economy was good and things made sense War Thunder had around 20k steam players. Now that the economy is broken and nothing makes sense War Thunder has around 80k steam players.

So how would you approach Gaijin, with a straight face, and tell them they need to change?

Large part of it is just long time on steam & a good popular base title. Part of it people base on old reviews. Playercount got boosted a great deal with the covid (incorporated) lockdowns...

They need to do nothing. They have a good cashcow, with a good base title like it is and can keep this up but it looks with the past 3-4 years like theyre diminishing probably 20 years of development... they said a long time ago they wouldnt bring in aam and cold war stuff into war thunder due to balance issues but if they simply raise the br ceiling and separate the matchmaker it is no problem, so i dont get it. Whatever.

I know several ways they could bring in much cash on tho that they havent yet done... like, where are the decal packs dlcs?

Easiest money ever for them. Bunch of pinups, bombs and design decals, 2 euro for a pack with 10 good decals. 0.1-0.2$ per decal. 1euro on discount would sell like ice cream in sunny summer greece. Make ten or so packs like that, free money.

Increase decal slots too to 4 without prem acc, +2-4 with premium. (And fix the size scroll i heard about got messed up)

Multicolor plane smoke dlc? 2.5/5 euro. I'd buy... (if they fix wt that is so i wanna play)

Plus a handful more things im quite sure would bring in a bunch of cash with little work...