F16 or Mig 29

[laojiong92]

Which one is more worth owning, f16 or MiG 29?

[florble mcfumperdink]

Messaggio originale di Ihatetrainyards:

Messaggio originale di florble mcfumperdink:

Considering the general ground strike capabilities, the F-16 is a better all-rounder and multirole plane. If you are solely focusing on A2A capabilities, then there is not much of a difference between the two planes tbh, it is just if you want a 1 circle fighter or a 2 circle fighter.

the mig-29 would have an advantage in medium range since it gets radar missiles.

A very limited advantage because it can only carry two of them and its radar's usability is questionable due to range limitations. Moreover, most Fulcrum pilots will probably prefer using the R-27T since it syncs with the HMD and IRST camera. In addition, the US and every other tree that used the F-16 is scheduled to get a BVR capable F-16 in the next couple patches according to the devs, with the devs also stating that the US may potentially have its current F-16 given AiM-7Fs like the ROC Block 20.

[xCrossFaith]

F16 will probably have overall better performance
Mig29 is uncontested in the looks department

[florble mcfumperdink]

Messaggio originale di xCrossFaith:

F16 will probably have overall better performance
Mig29 is uncontested in the looks department

The Fulcrum does look pretty sharp ngl.

[Nerv]

Messaggio originale di laojiong92:

Which one is more worth owning, f16 or MiG 29?

one is good, one got bamboozled in recent events

:)

[florble mcfumperdink]

Messaggio originale di ojmus:

Messaggio originale di laojiong92:

Which one is more worth owning, f16 or MiG 29?

one is good, one got bamboozled in recent events

:)

And the bamboozled one's bigger brother was bamboozled even harder.

[Omega Sirius]

Su-27

[Ihatetrainyards]

Messaggio originale di ojmus:

Messaggio originale di laojiong92:

Which one is more worth owning, f16 or MiG 29?

one is good, one got bamboozled in recent events

:)

bamboozled by other identical aircraft perhaps?

[Tom]

Messaggio originale di Ihatetrainyards:

Messaggio originale di ojmus:

one is good, one got bamboozled in recent events

:)

bamboozled by other identical aircraft perhaps?

nah, we can't admit both sides are using the same equipment and one is just using it worse, we need to say they're using junk...

[florble mcfumperdink]

Messaggio originale di Tom:

Messaggio originale di Ihatetrainyards:

bamboozled by other identical aircraft perhaps?

nah, we can't admit both sides are using the same equipment and one is just using it worse, we need to say they're using junk...

Mostly being bamboozled by surface to air weapons from what I have heard actually.

[Ihatetrainyards]

Messaggio originale di florble mcfumperdink:

Messaggio originale di Tom:

nah, we can't admit both sides are using the same equipment and one is just using it worse, we need to say they're using junk...

Mostly being bamboozled by surface to air weapons from what I have heard actually.

And you think it's the planes fault?

[florble mcfumperdink]

Messaggio originale di Ihatetrainyards:

Messaggio originale di florble mcfumperdink:

Mostly being bamboozled by surface to air weapons from what I have heard actually.

And you think it's the planes fault?

No, it's the officers', manufacturer's, and maintenance crews' faults for not training their pilots how to do SEAD/DEAD missions, fly defensive against surface to air threats, and use countermeasures as well as failing to properly maintain/implement weapons systems, MAW systems, countermeasure systems, and a lot of other things that tend to be important for having a functional air force.

Edit: That, of course, is separate from my opinion of Soviet/Russian aircraft being inferior in modern air wars because of their focus on close range WVR combat instead of BVR combat when the former has been almost completely supplanted by the latter.

[Ihatetrainyards]

Messaggio originale di florble mcfumperdink:

Messaggio originale di Ihatetrainyards:

And you think it's the planes fault?

No, it's the officers', manufacturer's, and maintenance crews' faults for not training their pilots how to do SEAD/DEAD missions, fly defensive against surface to air threats, and use countermeasures as well as failing to properly maintain/implement weapons systems, MAW systems, countermeasure systems, and a lot of other things that tend to be important for having a functional air force.

Edit: That, of course, is separate from my opinion of Soviet/Russian aircraft being inferior in modern air wars because of their focus on close range WVR combat instead of BVR combat when the former has been almost completely supplanted by the latter.

War Thunder doesn't even try to emulate avionics or sensor systems so a lot of advantages US planes would have go unnoticed.
And I don't think I've ever had a BVR engagement in war thunder since it just doesn't work thanks to chaff being a magic spell that's like flares for radar.

[Knugen]

ㅤ

[florble mcfumperdink]

Messaggio originale di Ihatetrainyards:

Messaggio originale di florble mcfumperdink:

No, it's the officers', manufacturer's, and maintenance crews' faults for not training their pilots how to do SEAD/DEAD missions, fly defensive against surface to air threats, and use countermeasures as well as failing to properly maintain/implement weapons systems, MAW systems, countermeasure systems, and a lot of other things that tend to be important for having a functional air force.

Edit: That, of course, is separate from my opinion of Soviet/Russian aircraft being inferior in modern air wars because of their focus on close range WVR combat instead of BVR combat when the former has been almost completely supplanted by the latter.

War Thunder doesn't even try to emulate avionics or sensor systems so a lot of advantages US planes would have go unnoticed.
And I don't think I've ever had a BVR engagement in war thunder since it just doesn't work thanks to chaff being a magic spell that's like flares for radar.

Chaff works in very limited windows depending on what radar function is being used. It fool standard search/lock radars the best, but can only work by pre-chaffing or chaffing in a 90 degree notch or harsh cranking maneuver against pulse dopplers from what I have seen. In my experience a significant amount of USSR pilots that try to fly higher refuse to fly defensive or use chaff at all for some reason. You would think that the RWR going off would warrant going into a steep dive on full afterburner while doing wide rolling turns, going cold by pointing away from the enemy plane, and chaffing every 4-5 seconds, but I guess not.

Most advantages that Western planes have are indeed not modeled, but they generally still have superior radars, radar missiles, and can carry more SARH/ARH missiles compared to most Soviet/Russian planes. The R-27R will be a great missile this coming patch, but it will be held back by the fact the MiG-29s can only carry two of them, and on EC maps the Fulcrum's radar will be outranged by just about everything that it sees.

[McXerYT]

yall go with the f16 morons