Era instead of tier?

[lathrix army]

I want to know why the game is based off of tier instead of Era and year because its strange to be in an me262 or a late tank in any tree and be against other jet planes and cold war tanks my question is if this could be a mode or something because i get it for balancing its important to go against similar strength vehicles

[Tom]

war isn't balanced, good luck killing an IS7 in an amx 13 FL11 (4.0 btw..)

[Eftwyrd]

copy/paste from one of my old posts because you people never learn and are not worth anything better, if you want a more detailed breakdown of how bad an idea this is try using the search function or better yet take a history course

heres an idea, we create a custom 'early war' match with a cutoff of 1941, you can play US and have:

M2
M3 Lee
M3 Stuart
M3 GMC
M2a4
M2a2

meanwhile the other team can be russian, they get

kv220
zis30
t50
t60
t34stz
t34e
t34-57
t34 1941
kv2 zis6
kv1 zis5
su100y
t34 1940
t28e
kv2 1940
t34 prototype
kv1e
gaz mm 72k
t26e
t26
smk
t126
kv2 1939
kv1 l11
t28
gaz aaa dshk
gaz aaa 4m
bt7
rbt5
yag10
t35
su5-1
t26-4
bt5

tldr; history is not remotely fair and anyone that thinks this is a remotely good idea is just demonstrating a critical lack of research

[[PixelHaven] Chrimim]

just think more who you wanna kill and who not.
In your Battle are Always Vehicles you cannot Penetrate, and who you can. When you cannot, others can.

[Toblm]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

copy/paste from one of my old posts because you people never learn and are not worth anything better, if you want a more detailed breakdown of how bad an idea this is try using the search function or better yet take a history course

heres an idea, we create a custom 'early war' match with a cutoff of 1941, you can play US and have:

M2
M3 Lee
M3 Stuart
M3 GMC
M2a4
M2a2

meanwhile the other team can be russian, they get
....

tldr; history is not remotely fair and anyone that thinks this is a remotely good idea is just demonstrating a critical lack of research

I mean you missed some of the US MGMC and GMC but point taken.

Edit: Maybe not, designed vs producing being a key differentiation.

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

copy/paste from one of my old posts because you people never learn and are not worth anything better, if you want a more detailed breakdown of how bad an idea this is try using the search function or better yet take a history coursetldr; history is not remotely fair and anyone that thinks this is a remotely good idea is just demonstrating a critical lack of research

I mean you missed some of the US MGMC and GMC but point taken.

Edit: Maybe not, designed vs producing being a key differentiation.

It was a long time ago and if i recall i just did a quick once over of this i found on reddit or one like it: https://i.imgur.com/q4xk0su.jpeg,

that one comes from 4 years ago, may have been updated since as i cant remember when a lot of vehicles were added

redoing all the research isnt worth it for this kind of thread, close enough is fine

[Tom]

Originally posted by Christopher 水と火:

just think more who you wanna kill and who not.
In your Battle are Always Vehicles you cannot Penetrate, and who you can. When you cannot, others can.

you can, you're just not very good at the game

[Flavalicious]

You missed this era of war thunder by about 8 years my dude, sorry. lol

[Dave]

Some country used and build 262's after WWII.... Hungry, Chech, something...its all they had. So 262's Vs cold war era.. coulda happened.

[Santa Claus]

Originally posted by lathrix army:

I want to know why the game is based off of tier instead of Era and year because its strange to be in an me262 or a late tank in any tree and be against other jet planes and cold war tanks my question is if this could be a mode or something because i get it for balancing its important to go against similar strength vehicles

It's not based off of tier. It's based off a BR rating which is an arbitrary number non historically minded Gajinne employee's or an employee assigns to vehicles to try and achieve balance. So 1970's vehicles end up fighting 1940's vehicles because you don't want to upset the kiddies who are used to participation trophies and forced fair play that makes them feel special.

[pathi]

Trying to balance the game arround BR or Eras will never work. There are way to many airplanes/tanks to ever get them balanced in every BR/Era...

And its just trying to fix the symptoms.

The main Problem in my oppinion are silver lion gain, the repair costs and XP.

It could be fun to fight better airplanes or tanks, if you would still get progression out of it.
A challange isnt bad if it doesnt feel like waisting your time, like at the moment.
Yes perhaps in some games the other vehicles are way better, but i wouldnt care if it wouldnt mean, that im not gaining any xp and losing silver lions.

So Gaijn doesnt need to change the BR, Gaijin needs to reward other things than kills and dont actually punish you if you get shot by a better vehicle, by having to pay more SL to repair than you could earn and giving you no XP.

Thats the problem, not the BR Ranges.

But Gaijin manged to distract everyone from these problems, that only exist because of the implemented grind, by making it about br ranges...

[KokkoJustus]

Well, i mean there is SIM mode

[Zohan Dwir]

it would be nice to have era-equivalent vehicles.

[DONAR]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

copy/paste from one of my old posts because you people never learn and are not worth anything better, if you want a more detailed breakdown of how bad an idea this is try using the search function or better yet take a history course

heres an idea, we create a custom 'early war' match with a cutoff of 1941, you can play US and have:

M2
M3 Lee
M3 Stuart
M3 GMC
M2a4
M2a2

meanwhile the other team can be russian, they get

kv220
zis30
t50
t60
t34stz
t34e
t34-57
t34 1941
kv2 zis6
kv1 zis5
su100y
t34 1940
t28e
kv2 1940
t34 prototype
kv1e
gaz mm 72k
t26e
t26
smk
t126
kv2 1939
kv1 l11
t28
gaz aaa dshk
gaz aaa 4m
bt7
rbt5
yag10
t35
su5-1
t26-4
bt5

tldr; history is not remotely fair and anyone that thinks this is a remotely good idea is just demonstrating a critical lack of research

I mean, if you want truly historical matchmaking, then you also wouldn't have US vs USSR.
They would also have to add something where not everyone can use the same tank, to make sure that rare vehicles will remain rare. Like some shooters have a system where only 2 people can be snipers, to avoid sniper spam, they could make it so only few people at a time can be a certain tank in the match.

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by DONAR:

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

copy/paste from one of my old posts because you people never learn and are not worth anything better, if you want a more detailed breakdown of how bad an idea this is try using the search function or better yet take a history coursetldr; history is not remotely fair and anyone that thinks this is a remotely good idea is just demonstrating a critical lack of research

I mean, if you want truly historical matchmaking, then you also wouldn't have US vs USSR.
They would also have to add something where not everyone can use the same tank, to make sure that rare vehicles will remain rare. Like some shooters have a system where only 2 people can be snipers, to avoid sniper spam, they could make it so only few people at a time can be a certain tank in the match.

This actually has happened in events in the distant past, you want to know what happened? Immensely long queues for people wanting to play tigers, really short queues for the very few allied players willing to play because there was never a shortage axis players waiting to stomp all over them

turns out what most people want isnt 'historical matchmaking', its the power trip of playing the winning side in an unequal matchup. Who would have thought

[DONAR]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Originally posted by DONAR:

I mean, if you want truly historical matchmaking, then you also wouldn't have US vs USSR.
They would also have to add something where not everyone can use the same tank, to make sure that rare vehicles will remain rare. Like some shooters have a system where only 2 people can be snipers, to avoid sniper spam, they could make it so only few people at a time can be a certain tank in the match.

This actually has happened in events in the distant past, you want to know what happened? Immensely long queues for people wanting to play tigers, really short queues for the very few allied players willing to play because there was never a shortage axis players waiting to stomp all over them

turns out what most people want isnt 'historical matchmaking', its the power trip of playing the winning side in an unequal matchup. Who would have thought

That's the problem, don't prevent people from joining a match with a certain vehicle in their lineup, make it in a way so that everyone can join the match with any limited vehicle they have, but only 1 or 2 are actually allowed to spawn the vehicle, and once the person with (whatever limited vehicle) has died, then the spot will be open again for the first person to spawn it. So basically, as long as there isn't an active player with (limited vehicle) alive in the battle, you can spawn in.