R73s for MiG29

[born to shit forced to wipe]

When're they coming back?

[Colonel Jason]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Radahn:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Colonel Jason:

If it will be back then what I would say is devs are more brain dead than everybody else thought.

Just because you don't like it don't start seething. You were wrong its fine.

By you you meant almost whole community?
Just because you cant fly your plane does not justify the cause for r73s arrival,if they were to bring them back as I said,they are more brain dead than I thought.

[born to shit forced to wipe]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Colonel Jason:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Radahn:

Just because you don't like it don't start seething. You were wrong its fine.

By you you meant almost whole community?
Just because you cant fly your plane does not justify the cause for r73s arrival,if they were to bring them back as I said,they are more brain dead than I thought.

Last reply, you're derailing this by seething. We had a reply from a guy showing you how and why you're wrong you're just conflating your desires with 'the whole community'. Its a simple question with a simple answer. We have it now go and wait for them to come.

[HOBO ACTUAL]

The r73s are being reworked the devs said they have the right to re add them whenever they want. Also to the guy who said something about russian bias and how they had to supper while they had the f4 phantom while everyone else got pulse Doppler. A) you had phantoms far before everyone else good jets. And the Russians had a jet with like 19 rounds of ammo against a decent American jet so you’re wrong.

[MARTY_cz]

Początkowo opublikowane przez florble mcfumperdink:

Początkowo opublikowane przez shipdesignerdude:

Most of my phoenix kills are on spaceclimbing MiG-29s, which can speak to the ability of RU mains. Almost every game, without failure, there is a MiG-29 at 5km who inevitably gets 15 phoenixes fired at him. I think there are problems at both ends of the spectrum.

Out of the 45 most recent games in ARB that I have played in my Tomcat with Phoenixes onboard, I have gotten 30 kills with them. My personal killcount breaks down as follows:

-16 MiG-29s
-4 MiG-23 MLs
-2 MiG-23 MLDs
-1 MiG-21 BIS
-1 MiG-23 MLA
-1 MiG-21 BIS-SAU
-1 F-16A ADF
-1 F-16A MLU
-1 Mirage F-1C
-1 FG 1. Phantom II
-1 F-4EJ Kai Phantom II

I also have dozens more 7F kills in those same matches from spaceclimbing MiGs that I swatted out of the sky from 10 to 20 kilometers away because none of them moved to fly defensively at all.

All of these launches were from within 30 kilometers of the target aircraft, so there is no way that the enemy pilots could not have seen the gargantuan smoke trail coming from that flying dumpster of a missile. Moreover, I always switched to PD and locked a closer target after firing off my two phoenixes so I could utilize my AiM-7Fs, which means that the Phoenix missiles would have immediately gone active and tripped the enemy plane's RWR. This means that they continued climbing/flying in a straight line and refused to dive, crank, notch, chaff, or maneuver defensively at all while their own electronic defensive equipment was telling them that they were a target.

I believe that one may refer to such actions as a skill issue.

launches were from within 30km....thats answer me how OP your beloved F14 must be. While in my MIG29 I can barely see you, and sometimes im unable to lock you at all. Not to mention fired a rocket. Thats not a skill issue generaly (even if i have to admit my skill issue personaly) but mostly this problem generaly is that Mig29 is heavy bugged. Its great that my Mig29 radar have 100km range when im not able to see you on radar even when i can see you by my own eyes. Not to mention another batches of F16s tigether with F14 right now. I dont need to get R73 even if it shoudl be in them game, just give me NOT BUGGED radar and NOT BUGGED ROCKETS atleast to be equal to F14

[DrunkenTee]

Początkowo opublikowane przez florble mcfumperdink:

Początkowo opublikowane przez HOBO ACTUAL:

4 f16 kills with the maximum ERs you can can bring which is 2. You got 4 kills with 2 missiles? Wow you must be very good.

Since it seems you lack basic reading comprehension I feel that I should clarify that he said that he got two of his four kills with R-27ERs with the other two either being with R-60Ms or the gun.

He doesnt lack basic reading comprehension :) Sir Llama Geddon failed to put a comma correctly.

[WeebLord69]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Sir Llama Geddon:

The radar on the mig 29 is strong enough now... I just played a match and killed 4 f16s 2 with the ERs in TWS.

it doesnt take much to kill those who are brainless, me killing f14s in my mig-21 doesnt mean mig-21 is better than f14

[WeebLord69]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ģ◊иŽФ⚡∀mηЯΛ¥:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Colonel Jason:

Jesus christ,r73s are not coming back,it was overperforming as hell and it should not be in game in the first place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pErZw1wph8&t=95s
Russians main crying out loud when their vehicles for the first time lacking historical equipment,grow up.US was still rocking F-4E as top tier fighter while everybody else enjoying their pulse doppler radar planes.

stop spreading lies, the devs said they are being reworked they will come back at some point.

+1

[shipdesignerdude]

Początkowo opublikowane przez MARTY_cz:

Początkowo opublikowane przez florble mcfumperdink:

Out of the 45 most recent games in ARB that I have played in my Tomcat with Phoenixes onboard, I have gotten 30 kills with them. My personal killcount breaks down as follows:

-16 MiG-29s
-4 MiG-23 MLs
-2 MiG-23 MLDs
-1 MiG-21 BIS
-1 MiG-23 MLA
-1 MiG-21 BIS-SAU
-1 F-16A ADF
-1 F-16A MLU
-1 Mirage F-1C
-1 FG 1. Phantom II
-1 F-4EJ Kai Phantom II

I also have dozens more 7F kills in those same matches from spaceclimbing MiGs that I swatted out of the sky from 10 to 20 kilometers away because none of them moved to fly defensively at all.

All of these launches were from within 30 kilometers of the target aircraft, so there is no way that the enemy pilots could not have seen the gargantuan smoke trail coming from that flying dumpster of a missile. Moreover, I always switched to PD and locked a closer target after firing off my two phoenixes so I could utilize my AiM-7Fs, which means that the Phoenix missiles would have immediately gone active and tripped the enemy plane's RWR. This means that they continued climbing/flying in a straight line and refused to dive, crank, notch, chaff, or maneuver defensively at all while their own electronic defensive equipment was telling them that they were a target.

I believe that one may refer to such actions as a skill issue.

launches were from within 30km....thats answer me how OP your beloved F14 must be. While in my MIG29 I can barely see you, and sometimes im unable to lock you at all. Not to mention fired a rocket. Thats not a skill issue generaly (even if i have to admit my skill issue personaly) but mostly this problem generaly is that Mig29 is heavy bugged. Its great that my Mig29 radar have 100km range when im not able to see you on radar even when i can see you by my own eyes. Not to mention another batches of F16s tigether with F14 right now. I dont need to get R73 even if it shoudl be in them game, just give me NOT BUGGED radar and NOT BUGGED ROCKETS atleast to be equal to F14

The Phoenix does trip RWR, and you can absolutely do something about a phoenix heading at you. I think the MiG-29 could use a better radar, that seems to be the main complaint, but I don't think the R-73 is going to fix the radar. For some reason however, I get killed by far more MLs with R-24Ts rather than MiG-29s with R-27Ts. It doesn't make sense at all, but that is how it is in my experience.

[WeebLord69]

Początkowo opublikowane przez shipdesignerdude:

Początkowo opublikowane przez MARTY_cz:

launches were from within 30km....thats answer me how OP your beloved F14 must be. While in my MIG29 I can barely see you, and sometimes im unable to lock you at all. Not to mention fired a rocket. Thats not a skill issue generaly (even if i have to admit my skill issue personaly) but mostly this problem generaly is that Mig29 is heavy bugged. Its great that my Mig29 radar have 100km range when im not able to see you on radar even when i can see you by my own eyes. Not to mention another batches of F16s tigether with F14 right now. I dont need to get R73 even if it shoudl be in them game, just give me NOT BUGGED radar and NOT BUGGED ROCKETS atleast to be equal to F14

The Phoenix does trip RWR, and you can absolutely do something about a phoenix heading at you. I think the MiG-29 could use a better radar, that seems to be the main complaint, but I don't think the R-73 is going to fix the radar. For some reason however, I get killed by far more MLs with R-24Ts rather than MiG-29s with R-27Ts. It doesn't make sense at all, but that is how it is in my experience.

its because the r-27t is worse than r-24t, check its stats here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r9ko9WlEoNZtJLd37Is8MS4_sYqO9Mz3_lDs-y5EhNQ/edit#gid=128448244

[WeebLord69]

Początkowo opublikowane przez shipdesignerdude:

Początkowo opublikowane przez MARTY_cz:

launches were from within 30km....thats answer me how OP your beloved F14 must be. While in my MIG29 I can barely see you, and sometimes im unable to lock you at all. Not to mention fired a rocket. Thats not a skill issue generaly (even if i have to admit my skill issue personaly) but mostly this problem generaly is that Mig29 is heavy bugged. Its great that my Mig29 radar have 100km range when im not able to see you on radar even when i can see you by my own eyes. Not to mention another batches of F16s tigether with F14 right now. I dont need to get R73 even if it shoudl be in them game, just give me NOT BUGGED radar and NOT BUGGED ROCKETS atleast to be equal to F14

The Phoenix does trip RWR, and you can absolutely do something about a phoenix heading at you. I think the MiG-29 could use a better radar, that seems to be the main complaint, but I don't think the R-73 is going to fix the radar. For some reason however, I get killed by far more MLs with R-24Ts rather than MiG-29s with R-27Ts. It doesn't make sense at all, but that is how it is in my experience.

it has like, half the range of r24t which is unhistorical

[florble mcfumperdink]

Początkowo opublikowane przez DrunkenTee:

Początkowo opublikowane przez florble mcfumperdink:

Since it seems you lack basic reading comprehension I feel that I should clarify that he said that he got two of his four kills with R-27ERs with the other two either being with R-60Ms or the gun.

He doesnt lack basic reading comprehension :) Sir Llama Geddon failed to put a comma correctly.

Oh I'm not disputing the missing comma, I'm just saying hobo should have been able to correctly interpret the sentence regardless of its presence or absence.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Początkowo opublikowane przez WeebLord69:

Początkowo opublikowane przez shipdesignerdude:

The Phoenix does trip RWR, and you can absolutely do something about a phoenix heading at you. I think the MiG-29 could use a better radar, that seems to be the main complaint, but I don't think the R-73 is going to fix the radar. For some reason however, I get killed by far more MLs with R-24Ts rather than MiG-29s with R-27Ts. It doesn't make sense at all, but that is how it is in my experience.

its because the r-27t is worse than r-24t, check its stats here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r9ko9WlEoNZtJLd37Is8MS4_sYqO9Mz3_lDs-y5EhNQ/edit#gid=128448244

>Be me, a person who advocated for the R-27T to just be a 24T which had been reasonably improved in every metric as it was IRL
>Snail nerfs 27T's flare resistance to AiM-9B levels and releases it as a slightly gimped 24T
>Observe numerous members of the community provide bug reports on the 27T so that it can take its rightful place as the superior successor of the 24T
>Snail sees feedback then turns around and nerfs both missiles into the ground inexplicably
>♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.jpg

[florble mcfumperdink]

Początkowo opublikowane przez MARTY_cz:

Początkowo opublikowane przez florble mcfumperdink:

Out of the 45 most recent games in ARB that I have played in my Tomcat with Phoenixes onboard, I have gotten 30 kills with them. My personal killcount breaks down as follows:

-16 MiG-29s
-4 MiG-23 MLs
-2 MiG-23 MLDs
-1 MiG-21 BIS
-1 MiG-23 MLA
-1 MiG-21 BIS-SAU
-1 F-16A ADF
-1 F-16A MLU
-1 Mirage F-1C
-1 FG 1. Phantom II
-1 F-4EJ Kai Phantom II

I also have dozens more 7F kills in those same matches from spaceclimbing MiGs that I swatted out of the sky from 10 to 20 kilometers away because none of them moved to fly defensively at all.

All of these launches were from within 30 kilometers of the target aircraft, so there is no way that the enemy pilots could not have seen the gargantuan smoke trail coming from that flying dumpster of a missile. Moreover, I always switched to PD and locked a closer target after firing off my two phoenixes so I could utilize my AiM-7Fs, which means that the Phoenix missiles would have immediately gone active and tripped the enemy plane's RWR. This means that they continued climbing/flying in a straight line and refused to dive, crank, notch, chaff, or maneuver defensively at all while their own electronic defensive equipment was telling them that they were a target.

I believe that one may refer to such actions as a skill issue.

launches were from within 30km....thats answer me how OP your beloved F14 must be. While in my MIG29 I can barely see you, and sometimes im unable to lock you at all. Not to mention fired a rocket. Thats not a skill issue generaly (even if i have to admit my skill issue personaly) but mostly this problem generaly is that Mig29 is heavy bugged. Its great that my Mig29 radar have 100km range when im not able to see you on radar even when i can see you by my own eyes. Not to mention another batches of F16s tigether with F14 right now. I dont need to get R73 even if it shoudl be in them game, just give me NOT BUGGED radar and NOT BUGGED ROCKETS atleast to be equal to F14

Dawg even though your radar is ♥♥♥♥ you still have an RWR and functioning eyes. The lock warning and massive smoke trail behind the dumpster-sized explosive ordnance coming towards you at mach 1.5 and climbing should be your cue to roll into a split-S and dive out while chaffing and going cold.

[HOBO ACTUAL]

Początkowo opublikowane przez MARTY_cz:

Początkowo opublikowane przez florble mcfumperdink:

Out of the 45 most recent games in ARB that I have played in my Tomcat with Phoenixes onboard, I have gotten 30 kills with them. My personal killcount breaks down as follows:

-16 MiG-29s
-4 MiG-23 MLs
-2 MiG-23 MLDs
-1 MiG-21 BIS
-1 MiG-23 MLA
-1 MiG-21 BIS-SAU
-1 F-16A ADF
-1 F-16A MLU
-1 Mirage F-1C
-1 FG 1. Phantom II
-1 F-4EJ Kai Phantom II

I also have dozens more 7F kills in those same matches from spaceclimbing MiGs that I swatted out of the sky from 10 to 20 kilometers away because none of them moved to fly defensively at all.

All of these launches were from within 30 kilometers of the target aircraft, so there is no way that the enemy pilots could not have seen the gargantuan smoke trail coming from that flying dumpster of a missile. Moreover, I always switched to PD and locked a closer target after firing off my two phoenixes so I could utilize my AiM-7Fs, which means that the Phoenix missiles would have immediately gone active and tripped the enemy plane's RWR. This means that they continued climbing/flying in a straight line and refused to dive, crank, notch, chaff, or maneuver defensively at all while their own electronic defensive equipment was telling them that they were a target.

I believe that one may refer to such actions as a skill issue.

launches were from within 30km....thats answer me how OP your beloved F14 must be. While in my MIG29 I can barely see you, and sometimes im unable to lock you at all. Not to mention fired a rocket. Thats not a skill issue generaly (even if i have to admit my skill issue personaly) but mostly this problem generaly is that Mig29 is heavy bugged. Its great that my Mig29 radar have 100km range when im not able to see you on radar even when i can see you by my own eyes. Not to mention another batches of F16s tigether with F14 right now. I dont need to get R73 even if it shoudl be in them game, just give me NOT BUGGED radar and NOT BUGGED ROCKETS atleast to be equal to F14

Funny you mention the inability of russian mains but out of all the simulator battles ive played the f14 pilots are the worst they suck so bad they keep dying to my mig 29 and 9.7 mirage

[DrunkenTee]

Początkowo opublikowane przez florble mcfumperdink:

Początkowo opublikowane przez MARTY_cz:

launches were from within 30km....thats answer me how OP your beloved F14 must be. While in my MIG29 I can barely see you, and sometimes im unable to lock you at all. Not to mention fired a rocket. Thats not a skill issue generaly (even if i have to admit my skill issue personaly) but mostly this problem generaly is that Mig29 is heavy bugged. Its great that my Mig29 radar have 100km range when im not able to see you on radar even when i can see you by my own eyes. Not to mention another batches of F16s tigether with F14 right now. I dont need to get R73 even if it shoudl be in them game, just give me NOT BUGGED radar and NOT BUGGED ROCKETS atleast to be equal to F14

Dawg even though your radar is ♥♥♥♥ you still have an RWR and functioning eyes. The lock warning and massive smoke trail behind the dumpster-sized explosive ordnance coming towards you at mach 1.5 and climbing should be your cue to roll into a split-S and dive out while chaffing and going cold.

going cold against a Radar missile?