Low tier Italy, France and Japan are awful

[Waggy]

Thank you Gaijin for the new account 3 day premium bonus so I could more quickly climb the Italy tech tree to a point where I found tanks with firepower and started actually having fun because I could actually do stuff and kill stuff.

Low tier Italy = no firepower, no armor
Low tier France = low firepower, no speed
Low tier Japan = no firepower, no armor, no speed.

I'm talking about from tier 1.0 up to tier 3.0 something which is where I got with Italy, but with France and Japan I'm still at about 1.0 and it's dreadful. It's not fun. There's nothing I can do except count on luck... this is terrible, why do people suffer through this? Games are supposed to be fun and enjoyable!

[FizzyElf]

Yeah. Now play all of them to rank 3. Do it.

[Velesianus]

Originally posted by FizzyElf:

Yeah. Now play all of them to rank 3. Do it.:winter2019cooldog:

Rank 3 is where they start to get really enjoyable. Imo they peak at around rank 4-5.

Especially France. I can't imagine how you could not have fun in something like a '54 EBR.

They're ok at top tier but all three suffer from the minor nation syndrome of having a lot of holes in their trees.

[FizzyElf]

Originally posted by Velesianus:

Originally posted by FizzyElf:

Yeah. Now play all of them to rank 3. Do it.

Rank 3 is where they start to get really enjoyable. Imo they peak at around rank 4-5.

Especially France. I can't imagine how you could not have fun in something like a '54 EBR.

They're ok at top tier but all three suffer from the minor nation syndrome of having a lot of holes in their trees.

It's kinda hard to have fun in a EBR 54 when it hasn't been available for years now. France and japan are fun beyond rank 5, even Italy is decent at rank 7 if you avoided the MBT line and went for the Otomatic and Cent's.

[DrunkenTee]

Originally posted by FizzyElf:

Originally posted by Velesianus:

Rank 3 is where they start to get really enjoyable. Imo they peak at around rank 4-5.

Especially France. I can't imagine how you could not have fun in something like a '54 EBR.

They're ok at top tier but all three suffer from the minor nation syndrome of having a lot of holes in their trees.

It's kinda hard to have fun in a EBR 54 when it hasn't been available for years now. France and japan are fun beyond rank 5, even Italy is decent at rank 7 if you avoided the MBT line and went for the Otomatic and Cent's.

Otomatic when it first came out was a big bully :(

[frick]

as someone that's played all 3 of these trees i gotta call ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on ONE thing
italy 1.0 firepower is NUTTY you just have to learn how to use it
france and japan 1.0 are genuine ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ though aside from like, ho-ro

[Boii Fan]

Originally posted by Waggy:

Thank you Gaijin for the new account 3 day premium bonus so I could more quickly climb the Italy tech tree to a point where I found tanks with firepower and started actually having fun because I could actually do stuff and kill stuff.

Low tier Italy = no firepower, no armor
Low tier France = low firepower, no speed
Low tier Japan = no firepower, no armor, no speed.

I'm talking about from tier 1.0 up to tier 3.0 something which is where I got with Italy, but with France and Japan I'm still at about 1.0 and it's dreadful. It's not fun. There's nothing I can do except count on luck... this is terrible, why do people suffer through this? Games are supposed to be fun and enjoyable!

skill issue the wall of text

[-reno-FR-]

"Skill issue."

The B1 bis is ugly, slow, but if you avoid to be isolated from your teammates, it is also a nightmare.... for your ennemies.

So, yes, definitively a "skill issue."

But, it is very normal to have such "skill issue" if you are a newcomer and / or if you are too much used to play "fast" tanks.

[FizzyElf]

Originally posted by Boii Fan:

Originally posted by Waggy:

Thank you Gaijin for the new account 3 day premium bonus so I could more quickly climb the Italy tech tree to a point where I found tanks with firepower and started actually having fun because I could actually do stuff and kill stuff.

Low tier Italy = no firepower, no armor
Low tier France = low firepower, no speed
Low tier Japan = no firepower, no armor, no speed.

I'm talking about from tier 1.0 up to tier 3.0 something which is where I got with Italy, but with France and Japan I'm still at about 1.0 and it's dreadful. It's not fun. There's nothing I can do except count on luck... this is terrible, why do people suffer through this? Games are supposed to be fun and enjoyable!

skill issue the wall of text

Thats not a wall. This is a wall:

It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is, whichever is greater, it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't and, arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation; the variation being the difference between where the missile is and where it isn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it, too, may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows: because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is, however it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice versa. And by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error. I know that can be a little confusing so lets walk through it again shall we: It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is, whichever is greater, it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't and, arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation; the variation being the difference between where the missile is and where it isn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it, too, may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows: because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is, however it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice versa. And by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.

[Fr4ntic]

Originally posted by frick:

as someone that's played all 3 of these trees i gotta call ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on ONE thing
italy 1.0 firepower is NUTTY you just have to learn how to use it
france and japan 1.0 are genuine ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ though aside from like, ho-ro

agreed italy is a powerhouse when you know how to use it

[Shyue Chou]

I seem to recall that the M13/40 tanks were once reserve vehicles and were 1.0 before they were raised to 1.7. Is that a false memory? Did I remember wrongly?

[Mdgrim]

Honestly, as a new player you should probably choose either the USA, Germany, or Russia tech tree to start with as they're the easiest to work with of all the factions (especially if your focus is on ground combat), and then branch out from there once you're used to the basics or what to try something new.
My favorite early aircraft is the Italian C. 202 Folgore, which has a battle rating of 3.0, I have it for the German tech tree as I researched it ages ago before Italy had their own tree, hell, before ground vehicles were even in the game. Its firepower is somewhat lacking, but in turn it has great speed, climb rate, and roll rate, also fairly decent turning, making it pretty survivable because it can outmaneuver most other aircraft of a similar battle rating. I sometimes bring it with my jets into 9.0 to pick off unsuspecting targets like A-10's or jets that lost too much of their momentum to snag some God Mode awards

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by Shyue Chou:

I seem to recall that the M13/40 tanks were once reserve vehicles and were 1.0 before they were raised to 1.7. Is that a false memory? Did I remember wrongly?

They were indeed Reserve vehicles once. But now, the entire M series is overtiered by atleast 0.3 and the M14/41 by 0.7 BR.