A-6E Tram Battle Rating Too Low

[DollahTea]

The new A-6E Tram's battle rating is too low for the arsenal and speed it brings.

Example Loadout 1:
A-6E TRAM Intruder (America)
Missiles: AIM-9Lx4
Plane Speed: 1055 km/h* at sea level
Countermeasures?: Has Chaffs.
Battle Rating: 10.0

vs

Harrier GR.1 (Great Britain)
Missiles: SRAAM ATA Missiles x4
Cannon: 30 mm ADEN Mk.4 Cannon x2 (Ammo:260)
Plane Speed: 1113km/h* -6.5 km/h (with load) at sea level
Countermeasures? :No chaffs.
Battle Rating: 10.0.

What matters here is mostly the speed and missiles both jets bring. The A-6E Tram brings missiles capable of locking onto targets at 3.0km's and be effective at this range. Whereas the Harrier GR.1 missiles need to be under 1.0km's to hit their targets almost 100% of the time. The Harrier's missiles are very easy to defend against with chaffs which the A-6E brings in abundance; however, like many of Britain's 10.0 jets the Harrier lacks chaffs to defend against the A-6E's missiles. The speed of the A-6E also allows it to chase the Harrier and/or meet them at height where they will prepare for strikes.

My suggestion? Move the A-6E to 10.7 or 10.3 and make it the A-10A of 11.0 battle rating. The A-6E seems overpowered in 10.0 at the moment but its just my personal feeling. Perhaps more play time against them will make me used to the ways to counter them if matched against America.

[Barry Cabbage]

Kinda looks like the sea harrier is just too high.

[Choccy]

RIP to the migs and Sabres which will now face jets with 4 aim9l. Even at 11.3, most jets dons get these missiles and they just put a jet with 4 of them at 10.0...

[Kelenek✪]

its a Strike jet, its a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ whale and cant dodge anything. its actually ASS even with its very good missiles. mostly because you shouldn't play this jet for its missiles.

[Schublade]

Common, if other jet fighters carry the load of an A-6 they have trouble to overtake that bird or have to look for a fuel truck the next minute. The A-6 is good at what it's designed for

[JuX]

A-6E should be placed at 10.3

Has nothing to do with comparisons, but the fact it can have matches without 10.3 ground anti-air. Making it unreachable from the ground and allowing it to bomb everyone from orbit with precision.

[Neckstabba]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von JuX:

A-6E should be placed at 10.3

Has nothing to do with comparisons, but the fact it can have matches without 10.3 ground anti-air. Making it unreachable from the ground and allowing it to bomb everyone from orbit with precision.

As long as the SU25 is not 10.0 or 10.3 the TRAM should stay right where it is.

It takes forever to climb and the zoom isn't that good. You are also easily shot down by enemy planes.

Not to mention the Z19E spam with it's op missiles can easily take it down.

[Kay]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von IR9 Neckstabba:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von JuX:

A-6E should be placed at 10.3

Has nothing to do with comparisons, but the fact it can have matches without 10.3 ground anti-air. Making it unreachable from the ground and allowing it to bomb everyone from orbit with precision.

As long as the SU25 is not 10.0 or 10.3 the TRAM should stay right where it is.

It takes forever to climb and the zoom isn't that good. You are also easily shot down by enemy planes.

Not to mention the Z19E spam with it's op missiles can easily take it down.

"My OP thing shouldn't go up in br because another OP thing is at a similar br"

How about they both go up? They're both terrible for the matchmaker.

[Fawx]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kay:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von IR9 Neckstabba:

As long as the SU25 is not 10.0 or 10.3 the TRAM should stay right where it is.

It takes forever to climb and the zoom isn't that good. You are also easily shot down by enemy planes.

Not to mention the Z19E spam with it's op missiles can easily take it down.

"My OP thing shouldn't go up in br because another OP thing is at a similar br"

How about they both go up? They're both terrible for the matchmaker.

Until other planes above go up (F-14A), you can't really stick the A-6E up. It turns like a whale and is still subsonic. In an 11.3 game it will literally just die without doing anything.

They need to increase the max BR to like 13-14, and stretch top tier out significantly.

[Knugen]

A solution for this is to have BR gaps between modern and early jets and late world war 2 if they want. And if a modern jet is to weak to compete with other modern jet's make it sit at that BR gap.

[qwerlancer]

It will be moved to 10.3 after Gaijin earn enough money.

[Shadow-.]

then, what about su25, wma301, Q5L, 2s38. these premium are just money grab bro take so long time before gaijin nerf it. like ka50 that have thermal vision for gaijin take it out.

[Kay]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Fawx:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kay:

"My OP thing shouldn't go up in br because another OP thing is at a similar br"

How about they both go up? They're both terrible for the matchmaker.

Until other planes above go up (F-14A), you can't really stick the A-6E up. It turns like a whale and is still subsonic. In an 11.3 game it will literally just die without doing anything.

They need to increase the max BR to like 13-14, and stretch top tier out significantly.

And that's a good reason to keep it stomping lower BRs where it fights things that have no reasonable defence against it, like the Vautour, Etendard, Harrier GR.1, Super Mystere, Sambad etc.?

Again, other things being too low is not an argument to keep an aircraft in a BR it does not belong at.

[Fawx]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kay:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Fawx:

Until other planes above go up (F-14A), you can't really stick the A-6E up. It turns like a whale and is still subsonic. In an 11.3 game it will literally just die without doing anything.

They need to increase the max BR to like 13-14, and stretch top tier out significantly.

And that's a good reason to keep it stomping lower BRs where it fights things that have no reasonable defence against it, like the Vautour, Etendard, Harrier GR.1, Super Mystere, Sambad etc.?

Again, other things being too low is not an argument to keep an aircraft in a BR it does not belong at.

It's just as much an argument as moving it up. Until they decompress the BR ranges and allow more breathing space it's a choice of stomping, or being stomped. It's a product they are trying to sell, and don't want people to refund. They are not going to let it be stomped.

In 11.3 everything is food for F-14s. Even things like the Mig-23 MLD and various F-4s struggle against the F-14. The A-6E will do nothing in a 11.3 game.

The A-6E shouldn't have been the premium, it should have been a TT plane to begin with, it just doesn't really work with top tier where it arguably needs to be with those 9Ls. US should have got a premium F-4 or something.

[Kay]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Fawx:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kay:

And that's a good reason to keep it stomping lower BRs where it fights things that have no reasonable defence against it, like the Vautour, Etendard, Harrier GR.1, Super Mystere, Sambad etc.?

Again, other things being too low is not an argument to keep an aircraft in a BR it does not belong at.

It's just as much an argument as moving it up. Until they decompress the BR ranges and allow more breathing space it's a choice of stomping, or being stomped. It's a product they are trying to sell, and don't want people to refund. They are not going to let it be stomped.

In 11.3 everything is food for F-14s. Even things like the Mig-23 MLD and various F-4s struggle against the F-14. The A-6E will do nothing in a 11.3 game.

I'm always going to prefer a plane being stomped to stomping other aircraft, one affects one plane and one affects every other plane. (even though it won't be as bad as you seem to think, 4 AIM-9Ls is an extremely powerful loadout, for example the Harrier GR.7 at 11.3 being a solid fighter because it has 4 AIM-9Ls)

I don't know how much 11.3 you've been playing, but the F-14 is not nearly as good as you're making it out to be, the two MiG-23s and the Mirage 2000 are good matches for it, while the F-4s struggle against those three aircraft.

And on top of all of this, I'm not saying move it to 11.3. It's not a contemporary to the tomcat, but it sure as hell doesn't belong at 10.0, especially if the A-10 is 10.3 material (hell, I'd wager it'd do better than the Mirage does at 10.3, it has much better armament and countermeasures)

[Riley⁧⁧⁧2142]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ✪Kelenek:

its a Strike jet, its a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ whale and cant dodge anything. its actually ASS even with its very good missiles. mostly because you shouldn't play this jet for its missiles.

Yet I've been slapping jets out of the sky with my TRAM. It's quite good as a fighter if you know how to use it.