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I'm not arguing the other points.
I'm pointing out the ridiculousness of your focus on side armours being penetrable.
The only tanks I've met whose side armour could withstand me were rank V Russian heavies. And that's cuz they're from my af.
Enlighten me on how my response was abusive? That seems like a very childish statement to say in a way to deflect my posting as I went more in-depth. Also his steam level, profile private means everything when trolls typically run rampant discrediting other players opinions or viewpoints.
If you've been paying attention lately to the steam postings, Reddit postings you'd see in the past three days alone there have been numerous complaints about BR 4.0-7.0 America, and for the better part of two+ years ever since they Nerfed the jumbo has been considered "Hell" for American players. Which some say has prompted the whole BR Decompression slogan for this game.
I don't agree with the statement because there happens to be a Sherman variant called the M6A1 which is accepted by 99.9% of the playerbase as an utterly garbage tank for it's variant. Armor is decent but the speed igod-awful, and both guns are lackluster for the BR. Thus not many find it favorable, Nor can I see taking ten minutes to finally reach the first OBJ in RB as "fun".
Your viewpoint of people not agreeing with me is held by nothing but your opinion, and a handful on here. I've been playing for years and know better as I just dropped some info only an informed player for the better part of a few years would know. Hell there are multiple content creators that also feel the same about the Shermans, Koala, Phly, and many more also agree.
Sorry I'd rather try to emphasize on someones viewpoint with 100X the playtime than I than a random with a totally locked, and fresh steam profile that seems like a troll.
But it's going over your head this is the last time I'm going to try to dumb it down and make it more simple. I DON'T CARE about the side armor I'm making it a point that a 1.7 BR tank can Pen a shermans front with an H.E Shell, and any tank 2.0 BR Onward can pen the sides of any Sherman Variant excluding the jumbos.
-Any tank can Pen the Sherman.
The front armor, and the penetration ratios between the two tanks (Panther VS Sherman M4A2 76 W) are unbalanced. A Panther cannot be penned except for the RNG shots on the side mantlet where as the Panther can shoot the Sherman almost anywhere. This includes frontal armor and blow it to hell.
-Panther can Pen Sherman anywhere.
-Sherman 76MM can Pen Panther in sides/rear or Sidemanlet RNG shot ONLY.
(Deny the inflation of american tanks off of this part alone if you wish to debate me further. )
Thus the Shermans BR's should be lowered especially when
USSR T-34-57 130mm Pentration 4.3BR (Faster than 76's)
Germany PzIV F2 140mm Penetration 3.3BR (Faster than 76's)
USA M4A1 76 W 140mm Penetration 4.7BR ( tanks 2.0 onward can Penetrate it)
USA M4A2 76 W 140mm penetration 5.0BR ( tanks 2.0 onward can Penetrate it)
(Deny the inflation of american off of this part alone if you wish to debate me further. )
I agree with Kamikaze.
https://thunderskill.com/en/stat/Kiagh
Now, I only have 2800 hours in game, not sure what you have but I'm 100% sure it's significantly less.
I'm an excellent player according to thunderskill.
But none of that really matters (and neither does the opinion of those YouTubers you mentioned, if that opinion is more than a month old it wasn't made after the penetration changes which buffed every Sherman)
They can frontally penetrate an Abrams or Leo 2K too, we should move those to 3.3 too right?
Yet the gun still seems lackluster, their tanks are faster and yet the opinions of many didn't change.
This wasn't a huge buff like the .50Cal buff a year or so ago that revamped the entire air battle game experience.
I just compared my stats to yours and this is a second account (Steam login issues) and we have almost identical stats.
http://thunderskill.com/en/stat/paradoxic70
This discussion is over take a panzerjager and the M4 you can easily penetrate it. Much like the situation the 76's face against Panthers. Nor did I say bump it down that low but when the Germans get a tank with equal pen to our 5.0 at 3.3 I have an issue.
If Shermans do not have the speed, armor, or penetration what do we have?
Reload rate and turret traverse. that's the only thing that makes the M4 3.0 even acceptable at that BR and you know it.
But now at the 5.0 BR we don't have anything. German players cried about the Jumbo time and time again and this is what screwed up this area of the BR system.
We deserve to do the same when the stats, armor, penetration do not lie the 76's deserve to be bumped down.
Your comparison is asinine with the M1A1. It did not penetrate yes I checked just for ♥♥♥♥ n giggles.
not even close stats.
8% lower winrate, 7,000 less battles (nearly 18x less battles), a minute less lifespan, and while 0.1 more kills per battle, 0.3 less kills per life, along with nearly 20% less efficiency.
The guns are not lacklustre in any way, shape or form. Gun handling on the shermans is excellent, doesn't get better for anyone until the PT-76B or Centurion Mk.3, the armour is almost impossible to frontally penetrate by anything at it's BR (3.7, M4A2) that isn't German and lightly armoured. To the point where the T-34 has to aim for small weakspots, same with the 50mm on anything German, same with the Italian tanks.
Add that to the decent mobility, excellent gun handling, good reloads and APHE rounds, they really aren't bad tanks at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bpHMfgpHF0
and trust me if the 76shermans, especially the 4.7one had a lower br it would be op as ef.
oh go and look at the stats, read the stats, think about the stats.......the shermans are being played well, if you can't see that then fine.
As for abusive, you start with picking on someones steam forum level showing that you don't read the forum or at least this one much if you have not seen this person posting for some time.
This is just another I can't play something it needs to be nerfed or buffed post,
something we have all not said because sometimes someone comes out with a new angle on something. And no one wants to be the first to say it.
You changed that when you start calling people trolls.
You can't play the sherman, yes, we figured that with your post, you back it up with meaningless figures,
yes pointless figures because br is also based on how WE THE PLAYERS use a vehicle.
you ignore this and stand there shouting meaningless figures.
the sherman is being used by the players well, go and look at the panthers, you would have a good reason with the panthers figures to reduce its br.
They don't, it has 15mm less penetration, stop lying. It also has worse gun handling and worse armour.
They have adequate penetration, excellent gun handling, decent speed, and above average armour at least.
NOPE
http://thunderskill.com/en/vehicle/us_m4a1_1942_sherman
It's above average at least on Thunderskill too, and that's one of the worst Shermans.
The Jumbo was OP, now it's still good but not as OP. Add to that the excellent gun handling etc. etc.
You do BETTER than other tanks, they absolutely do not deserve to be bumped down.
It ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ does, 1.7BR being the Sturmpanzer, known for frontally penetrating literally anything in game with HE (hit the turret face)
it would proberbly have a better winrate than it has currently(67%) and an even better killrate(2.59).
https://thunderskill.com/en/vehicle/us_m4a1_76w_sherman
and my own experience with the 4.7 sherman76 is 335 battles, 55% winrate, 242 deaths, 518 kills. the thing is a beast.
If we're going by Thunderskill statistics, the Bf109 F-4 and F-4/Trop should be at 10.0, and the Tiger H1 should be at 3.0. Oh, and the M22 Locust at 7.0.
Present actual argument instead of throwing mere numbers around and talking about your personal experience and statistics as if they mean something by themselves. BR system is meant to classify tanks by their actual performance, not by year of production, how well they fit the meta, or how well the players use them, which in and of itself shuts down any argument which has player statistics or year of production as it's main basis.
i guess you are new here since u dont recognize the founder of the "BR decompression" church.