why is M6A1 a heavy tank?

[Commander Shepard]

The only heavy tank attribute it has is its weight.

The mobility is awful and the armor effectiveness is the same, if not worse than a M4.

[Commander Shepard]

Originally posted by burg4401:

some vehicles work better in ab, some in rb......it is ok in ab, it is very good in rb.

just because someone or you personally can't use a vehicle does not make it bad,
I'm bad in is6.....
I've heard that others are not.

Its not about me or others , but about it not fulfilling its role. Its armor is very weak to be called a heavy tank in that BR.

[Damian030303]

Originally posted by Commander Shepard:

Originally posted by burg4401:

some vehicles work better in ab, some in rb......it is ok in ab, it is very good in rb.

just because someone or you personally can't use a vehicle does not make it bad,
I'm bad in is6.....
I've heard that others are not.

Its not about me or others , but about it not fulfilling its role. Its armor is very weak to be called a heavy tank in that BR.

Not all heavy tanks have to be typical heavy tanks.
This one doesn't have amazing armor but it trades it for a really good gun and smaller cannon.
Is that a good deal? It's up to you.

AMX 50 Surbaise is a example of a good heavy tank without good armor.
T-35 can be an example too but this one is more for fun than performance.
Or KW-2, I wouldn't call it a good tank but many people like it.

[burg4401]

Originally posted by Commander Shepard:

Originally posted by burg4401:

some vehicles work better in ab, some in rb......it is ok in ab, it is very good in rb.

just because someone or you personally can't use a vehicle does not make it bad,
I'm bad in is6.....
I've heard that others are not.

Its not about me or others , but about it not fulfilling its role. Its armor is very weak to be called a heavy tank in that BR.

a vehicles br is also dependant on how we the players use it, not just what we think about a vehicle, how fast it is, its armor and such.

You might be right in thinking it's rubbish, but the br might not be set for this now, once, when it first came out, but not now.

Check the vehicles stats, it's ok and fine at its br.

And if you personally don't like it or can't use it well, just do what I did with the is6,
don't use it.

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by burg4401:

Originally posted by Commander Shepard:

Its not about me or others , but about it not fulfilling its role. Its armor is very weak to be called a heavy tank in that BR.

a vehicles br is also dependant on how we the players use it

like how the Ju-87 Gs used to have a BR of 3.3, but the sheer number of idiots using them to shoot at planes dropped the G-1 to 2.3 and the physically-identical G-2 (with less players using it to drop the BR) to 2.7

[Blunder Bro]

Originally posted by Commander Shepard:

Originally posted by Demonic Cookie:

What have you been smoking?

It's a heavy because:
- It weights a lot.
- It has 3x 50 cal MGs
- It has 2 cannons
- It is bit and slow
- Its armour is thicker than an M4s and in a lot of places more effective or trolley


Why wouldn't it be classed as a heavy tank?

- It weights a lot. : ♥♥♥♥ mobility
- It has 3x 50 cal MGs :worthless for tank combat
- It has 2 cannons : the smaller one is worthless for its BR
- It is bit and slow : if you are stationary when a bomb lands you will never be able to escape it
- Its armour is thicker than an M4s and in a lot of places more effective or trolley : effectiveness of the armor is worse , Jumbo has same armor but can take on a load more hits than m6.

I've killed a lot of enemy m6 they are almost always an easy kill, they can't run away , their armor effectiveness is quite poor and its a big target.

- Yes that's right it weights a lot? Things that weight a lot for what they are are called heavy. Thus this is a heavy tank.
- Okay so I am guessing you have never killed an SPG with MGs?
- This one I found really funny. In real life, not all tanks were designed with only tank vs tank combat in mind. You can also use the secondary gun to bait noobs that you fired your main. Also, It is useful at it's BR or when downtiered. Lightly armoured SPGs/ the sides of medium tanks, and can be used to cripple a barrel maybe. I have crippled many tanks with the secondary gun and one time killed multiple thanks to it. I shoot Panzer IV, then M18 comes around the corner and I kill it with secondary, then another tank comes along and my main gun is reloaded so I use that. You are an idiot if you can't make use of the second cannon.
- Yes? That is typical of a heavy tank or anything that has poor mobility (i.e. Churchill reverse speed) You can also get no timer bombs, so running away is mute point if it hits directly. Also, you've just made an idiot point. We are talking about why it is classed as a heavy tank. No ♥♥♥♥ it won't be able to escape a bomb very well, it is a slow heavy tank! What do you expect? What was your point? If anything you just proved more as to why it is classed as a heavy.
- Okay I see you have never taken a tiger shell to the front plate. It is way more effective. I can't remember having to precisely aim to kill a Sherman with a tiger or Panzer IV. So now we are comparing it to a jumbo? It's armour isn't as strong, but it still a heavily armoured tank for the standard of the time. When you go from Churchill mk.3 to the mk.7 because of the armour increase does that mean the mk.3 should no longer be classed as a heavy, as there is a new standard brought about by the mk.7?
- So just because you find it easy to kill, that means it doesn't deserve to be classed as a heavy even though it's size and weight for the time, makes it qualify as a heavy tank?

[Blunder Bro]

Originally posted by burg4401:

some vehicles work better in ab, some in rb......it is ok in ab, it is very good in rb.

just because someone or you personally can't use a vehicle does not make it bad,
I'm bad in is6.....
I've heard that others are not.

I play it in AB. Great tank. Never had an issue with it. Have had good games with it. Can't say about RB or SB, but maybe this guy is playing with a tank that isn't so good in the mode he plays.

I used to hate plenty of tanks ,but you learn to use them.

Also, has he even mentioned what he is using to easily kill them? If it was in an IS-2, or a Tiger then no ♥♥♥♥ it will die easily. It can still easily die to lower tier guns, but if people don't angle or use the tank well, or he is smart with positioning or aiming, then of course it will be easy to kill for him.

I find the jumbo easy enough to kill. Others may not. An M4's 76mm can shot trap the mantle. Or there is bouncing the shell up by hitting top of tract. Or rear side plate if angled. Or MG port. Not everyone can kill some tanks, and not everyone can use them well.

[Blunder Bro]

Originally posted by Commander Shepard:

Originally posted by Damian030303:

Heavy tanks are normally big and not really mobile.
Armor isn't that bad, it can bounce some shells.
This is not an amazing tank but it's good imo.

yeah , its decent , but its among the worst compared to other heavy tanks that can do a lot better in their BR like KV1 , IS2 , Tiger , Jumbo etc

Just wanted to ♥♥♥♥ on this too.

KV1 - M6A1 has thicker armour and some very trolly armour at that. Unless you are talking about the 122 or 85 variants, the M6A1 has a better gun and shells. Also, the 37mm can be useful as poitned out. The M6A1 is still very capable against the 85 and 122 variants, but I don't think either would hands down win in a mobility contest.

IS2 - That's at a completely different BR and unlike the M6A1, you get the pleasure of facing Tigers, Panthers a lot more, T30s, British sabot wielding tea drinkers, Tiger 2s and many other horrors that can point and click you straight to gulag. M6A1 has the pleasure of downtiering against T34s with short 75s that will struggle. What the IS2 faces is more of a problem.

Tiger - The Tiger is at a higher BR for a reason as it has a better gun and a boxy shape that can be very well angled and without doing so it is far worse off than the M6A1. Plenty of things of not everything can kill a Tiger at and below it's BR. I have even killed one at range with Jumbo APCR. It is unfair to compare the two and how well each have been placed at the respective BRs. If the M6A1 was downtiered anymore, it's gun would be way too powerful and things at 3-3.7 would struggle a lot to do anything. You also have to consider matchmaking. The tiger is totally screwed in any sort of uptier. The M6A1 can easily kill Tigers, cripple Panthers and I can speak from experience that if used right it can take a hit from them.

Jumbo - True it has better armour and arguably is easier to survive in, but how well can it kill things at it's BR? The M6A1 has no problem sniping Tigers at long range. The Jumbo struggles to penetrate a lot of medium tanks at even mid range. Hell, even Shermans can take a hit on the front plate from it. Especially the later variants. You have better armour, but loose out on the extra MG, extra cannon, neutral steering, and of course the sexy powerful shells of a long 76mm freedom cannon. Also from experience, short SPGs and TDs such as the Jagdpanzers have a knack for getting your MG port.

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

Originally posted by Mods_o_joy:

Originally posted by Damian030303:

Way better cannon, additional cannon, more crew, trollish armor.
Also I just dislike Jumbo.
I love yeeting it out of existance tho.

Additional canon decreases effectiveness of multiple shots due to all the smoke it kicks up, and is responsible for the gunsight being incorrectly positioned for use with the 76,

its correctly positioned on my M6, it must be because you switch to secondary sight, otherwise the gunsight should be positioned correctly. i use the 37mm with apcr and it is NOT decreasing effectiveness in any way, if it does its you doing it wrong, its an absolutly amazing backup while 76mm reloads. you M6A1 wrong.