Remove Leo 2A5

[Gord]

It does not belong in this game yet. It outclasses every single tank in this game. It is the only tank in war thunder's history to reach a winrate of over 90% in RB. If BR 15 existed it would be at 15. Going against it is like jumping out of a plane without a parachute, you wont live.

Not even 321mm pen Sabot shot penetrates it's side armor. And you have to be extremely lucky to even pen it with a 660mm anti-tank missile.

[爪乇ㄥ丨ㄖᗪ卂丂]

TenaciousGord の投稿を引用：

It does not belong in this game yet. It outclasses every single tank in this game. It is the only tank in war thunder's history to reach a winrate of over 90% in RB. If BR 15 existed it would be at 15. Going against it is like jumping out of a plane without a parachute, you wont live.

Not even 321mm pen Sabot shot penetrates it's side armor. And you have to be extremely lucky to even pen it with a 660mm anti-tank missile.

lmao you are to dumb to aim are you ? even a panzer 4 with the long 75 mm can kill it with 1 hit.in the turret, and you are to dumb to pen with 321mm sabot from the side typical mom i cant kill it remove it. grow some

[Mods]

The_Illuminati_Confirmed の投稿を引用：

Just add T-90A after T-72A for Leopard 2A5 balance, give US the M1A1HA and M829A2, return K-5 to pre-nerf performance (could actually make T-80U survive a center of mass shot by DESTROYING the APFSDS projectile like it does IRL, but NO NATOboos cried and cried until it got nerfed to glorified K-1 so they could return to the clubbing they were used to...) Oh and add OBJ 477, because f*ck you that's why us soviet players need a turn at curb-stomping top tier.

or maybe russian equipment really isnt that good, hence why it was brought back to the way it was, Despite claims, there has never been a documented test of M829A1 vs a T-80U and its ERA, but generally speaking, ERA isnt effective against Long Rod Penetrators anyways, and such a small vehicle doesnt have the physical space for much in the way of modern armor layouts

[爪乇ㄥ丨ㄖᗪ卂丂]

Mods_o_joy の投稿を引用：

The_Illuminati_Confirmed の投稿を引用：

Just add T-90A after T-72A for Leopard 2A5 balance, give US the M1A1HA and M829A2, return K-5 to pre-nerf performance (could actually make T-80U survive a center of mass shot by DESTROYING the APFSDS projectile like it does IRL, but NO NATOboos cried and cried until it got nerfed to glorified K-1 so they could return to the clubbing they were used to...) Oh and add OBJ 477, because f*ck you that's why us soviet players need a turn at curb-stomping top tier.

or maybe russian equipment really isnt that good, hence why it was brought back to the way it was, Despite claims, there has never been a documented test of M829A1 vs a T-80U and its ERA, but generally speaking, ERA isnt effective against Long Rod Penetrators anyways, and such a small vehicle doesnt have the physical space for much in the way of modern armor layouts

well its said that m829 cant pierce a t90 with k5 or was it m829a1 ? not sure which one ...

[Kotory]

Mods_o_joy の投稿を引用：

but generally speaking, ERA isnt effective against Long Rod Penetrators anyways, and such a small vehicle doesnt have the physical space for much in the way of modern armor layouts

this is completely wrong statement.
ERA wasn't effective against KE back when it was introduced.
But the latest variants of ERA like russian "relikt" are designed at first place against KE rounds .

[-NODER-_Novastorm_]

The T90 will have same problems as other toptier russians or worst, maybe it gets better shells, but it has the reverse speed like t64a, wich means he cant escape bad situations, its going to be good to camping tactics only.

[jaxjace]

kamikazi21358 の投稿を引用：

jaxjace の投稿を引用：

Like everything america has rank 3 and up? or everything russia has rank 5 and up?

Convince me.

You dont want to be convinced. Ive tried telling you how germany suffers in the past, you refuse to believe it.

[kamikazi21358]

=VNPA= novastorm//pt\\ の投稿を引用：

You know Leopard2a5 doesnt have ingame the real life apdsfs, that uses...
Our leopard2a5 is incomplete and its fine where it is...

Neither does the
T-80U
T-80B
M1A1
M1IP
M1
Challenger 2
Challenger Mk.3
Challenger Mk.2
Actually to save time:
literally everybody, maybe apart from a couple vehicles.

The_Illuminati_Confirmed の投稿を引用：

Just add T-90A after T-72A for Leopard 2A5 balance, give US the M1A1HA and M829A2, return K-5 to pre-nerf performance (could actually make T-80U survive a center of mass shot by DESTROYING the APFSDS projectile like it does IRL, but NO NATOboos cried and cried until it got nerfed to glorified K-1 so they could return to the clubbing they were used to...) Oh and add OBJ 477, because f*ck you that's why us soviet players need a turn at curb-stomping top tier.

M829A2 is extreme, M829A1 is enough. Unless they add DM53, then the M1A2 with M829A2 or A3 should do it.
Also T-80U can get 3BM46
Ob’yekt 477 — yeah, uh, no.

Fish の投稿を引用：

kamikazi21358 の投稿を引用：

The fact that you need to load HE and derp it on a commander’s hatch says something though about the tank...

No need to aim at the commander hatch. All you can do is shoot an HE shell below the arrow head and it will kill the driver and gunner, in some cases even an ammo rack. Ether way the leopard stops and you can hit the optics more easily.

“Easily”, literally a pair of optics. The optics are probably as big as the rod going though them.

Kotory の投稿を引用：

Mods_o_joy の投稿を引用：

but generally speaking, ERA isnt effective against Long Rod Penetrators anyways, and such a small vehicle doesnt have the physical space for much in the way of modern armor layouts

this is completely wrong statement.
ERA wasn't effective against KE back when it was introduced.
But the latest variants of ERA like russian "relikt" are designed at first place against KE rounds .

Essentially it depends on the generation. Kontakt-1 does little, Kontakt-5 is 100-250mm+ vs KEP, Relik is double K-5’s effectiveness.

=VNPA= novastorm//pt\\ の投稿を引用：

The T90 will have same problems as other toptier russians or worst, maybe it gets better shells, but it has the reverse speed like t64a, wich means he cant escape bad situations, its going to be good to camping tactics only.

T-90 doesn’t have have to escape if the enemy is dead.

Which Russian tanks were not built to camp, that was their last intent. They were built to attack and charge.

[kamikazi21358]

jaxjace の投稿を引用：

kamikazi21358 の投稿を引用：

Convince me.

You dont want to be convinced. Ive tried telling you how germany suffers in the past, you refuse to believe it.

Alright, “if you say so” I guess. I’ll just go back to my 15 kill games in my 3.0 German lineup or whatever.

[-NODER-_Novastorm_]

kamikazi21358 の投稿を引用：

=VNPA= novastorm//pt\\ の投稿を引用：

You know Leopard2a5 doesnt have ingame the real life apdsfs, that uses...
Our leopard2a5 is incomplete and its fine where it is...

Neither does the
T-80U
T-80B
M1A1
M1IP
M1
Challenger 2
Challenger Mk.3
Challenger Mk.2
Actually to save time:
literally everybody, maybe apart from a couple vehicles.

The_Illuminati_Confirmed の投稿を引用：

Just add T-90A after T-72A for Leopard 2A5 balance, give US the M1A1HA and M829A2, return K-5 to pre-nerf performance (could actually make T-80U survive a center of mass shot by DESTROYING the APFSDS projectile like it does IRL, but NO NATOboos cried and cried until it got nerfed to glorified K-1 so they could return to the clubbing they were used to...) Oh and add OBJ 477, because f*ck you that's why us soviet players need a turn at curb-stomping top tier.

M829A2 is extreme, M829A1 is enough. Unless they add DM53, then the M1A2 with M829A2 or A3 should do it.
Also T-80U can get 3BM46
Ob’yekt 477 — yeah, uh, no.

Fish の投稿を引用：

No need to aim at the commander hatch. All you can do is shoot an HE shell below the arrow head and it will kill the driver and gunner, in some cases even an ammo rack. Ether way the leopard stops and you can hit the optics more easily.

“Easily”, literally a pair of optics. The optics are probably as big as the rod going though them.

Kotory の投稿を引用：

this is completely wrong statement.
ERA wasn't effective against KE back when it was introduced.
But the latest variants of ERA like russian "relikt" are designed at first place against KE rounds .

Essentially it depends on the generation. Kontakt-1 does little, Kontakt-5 is 100-250mm+ vs KEP, Relik is double K-5’s effectiveness.

=VNPA= novastorm//pt\\ の投稿を引用：

The T90 will have same problems as other toptier russians or worst, maybe it gets better shells, but it has the reverse speed like t64a, wich means he cant escape bad situations, its going to be good to camping tactics only.

T-90 doesn’t have have to escape if the enemy is dead.

Which Russian tanks were not built to camp, that was their last intent. They were built to attack and charge.

I agree with you, except for the last part, poor reverse means death, with a leopard1a1 or even a merkava mbt, something with weak apdsfs is more than enought to kill t80u reloading and sometimes im fast enought to fire 1st and destroy them...
there are plenty of players skilled to take down poor Russian T series really fast, they die alot because of poor reverse, i even dare to say that good reverse speed is better than having good armour...
For example, a player like me or alot of good friends i got here, when we play mbts like leopard2a5 or Lclerc, we usualy break the stalemate and start to open very fast a path trought enemy lines, you cant do that with T series unless you go in a squad and all side by side or very near eachother.

[jaxjace]

ODINMASTER の投稿を引用：

ADATS *cough* *cough*

Tunguska *cough* *cough*

Radar SPAA with guided missiles in general *cough* *cough*

They are too good at anti-armour for an SPAA. The ADATS costs 100 spawn points and can kill literally anything in the game.

Biggest offender of broken power in the game. the Flakpanzer Roland which is incapable of killing tanks is 270. A civilian helicopter armed with rockets that cant kill anything is 350 a saber with only 16 38mm of pen hvars that only work on a top down is over 550. Why does the absoloute no skill vehicle get to be brought in for free when it can and does kill everything in the game easily.