What is meant by "Russian bias"?

[spanglock]

I'm new to War Thunder and have been hearing "Russian bias" and "German bias" being thrown around but don't really understand their meaning.

[CoreB]

Besides the russian bias only started out as a joke because Gaijin have their headquaters in russia but the joke got way out of control and now used by the wheraboos who constatnly wack T34s and IS1/2s with the 88 which couldnt give a sh*t about sloped armour in an attempt to get them all nerfed so they can seal club them even more

[Voyevoda]

nova1974chevy eredeti hozzászólása:

usually when people cant kill a russian plane or tank, they need something to make them feel better, the Russian bias thing is what they go to.

[kiro the avenger!]

CoreB eredeti hozzászólása:

Besides the russian bias only started out as a joke because Gaijin have their headquaters in russia but the joke got way out of control and now used by the wheraboos who constatnly wack T34s and IS1/2s with the 88 which couldnt give a sh*t about sloped armour in an attempt to get them all nerfed so they can seal club them even more

apart from the numerous examples of statistical and factual examples i have given

i also wouldnt call any tank pulling 90% winrates as getting clubbed *cough*TeeThirtyFour*cough*

[Striker]

Dakota eredeti hozzászólása:

Striker eredeti hozzászólása:

German bias was actually very much true back in the day, like tigers 1 being unkillable by is-2s or 85mm guns.
Heavy german tanks accelerating like t-34s and so on.
And so on.

I'm surprised you jumped to that moment and not the time when they were matched with M4s, not the 76mms, the 75s

Well my observation was from the early days, when there were only soviets and germans in tanks.

[kiro the avenger!]

CoreB eredeti hozzászólása:

Not to mention the amount of breakdowns tigers and panthers suffered throughout the war and also not to metion the underpowered maybach engine which was also used in the tiger 2 which was even heavier which resulted in a fuel guzzling monster of a tank yet none of these are implemented in the game.

just sayin :)

there are so many 'soft' qualities of tanks not implemented its irrelevant
T34s broke down a boat load as well only 10% fresh out of the factories could complete a 10km road march
other things not implemented are...
optics
crew visibilty
crew comfort/work space
storage space
radios
ground pressure
ammunition supplies

also if you look at this list, most of them the T34s actually performed very bad at.

[CoreB]

Every time I play I get smashed by every 88 coming my way as the crew is packed like sardines and the side armour made out of fuel tanks

[Striker]

kiro the avenger! eredeti hozzászólása:

there are so many 'soft' qualities of tanks not implemented its irrelevant
T34s broke down a boat load as well only 10% fresh out of the factories could complete a 10km road march
other things not implemented are...
optics
crew visibilty
crew comfort/work space
storage space
radios
ground pressure
ammunition supplies
also if you look at this list, most of them the T34s actually performed very bad at.

According to your math only 8k t-34s made it to the frontline total.
"Crew comfort".
Ammo supplies and storage space are in there.
Ground pressure will make the skilled german players cry russian bias even more.

Also not implemented are things as external module damage without penetration by Soviet high-cal guns.
Crew stunning evne without penetration by high-cal guns.
Fuel reserves, differences between different kinds of fuel and so on.

[Striker]

Laxe.dll eredeti hozzászólása:

Direct or Inderict advantage on Soviet taks, you can't deny it exists. there are so many game developement decisions that somehow always favour them.

And god forbit some another nation takes the crown like UK did in first month of release. Can't make Soviet tank players to actually start learning weak spots of tanks and strategy. better cry till devs nerf the whole UK nation and on top of it US with that disgusting solid shot nerf.

I have all T4 tanks of all Nations. and stopped playing that mess tillt hey fix it.
Thank god Air is still playable

"Cause sholid shots should 1 shot every tank"

"Skilled" brit-usa player.

[kiro the avenger!]

Striker eredeti hozzászólása:

According to your math only 8k t-34s made it to the frontline total. :cfacepalm:
"Crew comfort". :claugh:
Ammo supplies and storage space are in there.
Ground pressure will make the skilled german players cry russian bias even more.

Also not implemented are things as external module damage without penetration by Soviet high-cal guns.
Crew stunning evne without penetration by high-cal guns.
Fuel reserves, differences between different kinds of fuel and so on. [/quote]
they can repair tanks you know
just because only 10% can complete a road march doesnt mean 90% cant be repaired...

'crew comfort' also affects endurance in combat, and working efficiency. you can load a shell a lot faster if youre not trying to command a tank at the same time
requiring a mallet to switch gears would not be considered practicle in modern days
i can go on...
i meant ammo supplies as in how many you can get, not how much you can fit in your tank. early in the war russian tank units often didnt have a chance for resupply, once they were out of shells they were abandoned
ground pressure? interleaved road wheels meant for their weight class and speed they had very little ground pressure compared to other tanks of the time
soviets arent the only ones screwed by the awful penetration models, but as it is they certainly benefit most from the bounce mechanics
pretty sure diesel is modeled differently to petrol, at least stronk soviet T34 diesel is
and so on

[Voyevoda]

wales grey eredeti hozzászólása:

Soviet tanks were better tanks than Nazi tanks because they were designed to fight WW2, not WW1.

like omg thats no true nazi tanks are designed to fight the horse armies of polan you know nothing of history! soviets cheated! we would have won if it wasn't for reality!

[Chewiechanga]

CoreB eredeti hozzászólása:

Every time I play I get smashed by every 88 coming my way as the crew is packed like sardines and the side armour made out of fuel tanks

Just a reminder, sloped sardine can could in the day casually bounce 88's back to back, dead crew and fuel tanks used to eat shells as well.

Hell, the shell hunger migrated from fuel tanks to the modules and MG's, sardine can desing is even more useful for it.

Striker eredeti hozzászólása:

"Cause sholid shots should 1 shot every tank"

"Skilled" brit-usa player.

Fun fact, solid shots are ♥♥♥♥ as US/brit tankers says they are, you can needle between 2 crew members and do nothing due to randomness of the spalling.

Was also made even ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with the LMS, thankfully now that's gone and it can do its job.

[kiro the avenger!]

i honestly dont see what people are complaining about, at least with APDS
only time they penetrate me is when im in my Jagdpanther or something and they shoot me dead centre of the flanks as the tanks quite spaced out

they shoot pretty fast, british guns have great firerates
they have great pen, APDS rounds have no issue going straight through the upper plate of a Tiger II
they even have a half decent amount of spalling, often killing 2-3 people and ive even been one shotted as they kill 4 crew

with LMS german AP rounds had quite the issue with some tanks, especially when hull down as they lacked the penetration to get through the upper plate and the HE shrapnel wouldnt go down from the turret

[Flaif]

To actually answer you question , it means that they would make Russian stuff unrealistically stronger, because devs are Russian. I don't know if this game actually has a bias, though.

[(OG) Hero Luka]

The Spanglock eredeti hozzászólása:

Dakota eredeti hozzászólása:

A bunch of mediocre players through up claims of the company purposely making the Russian faction superior to others every time they die to them due to it's nationailty. The German bias claim is more of a joke, people pretty much just through the word "bias" around in a fashion as to state that they believe something to be overpowered.

I don't think I've ever actually been killed by a Russian plane. Everybody seems to play with Germany from my experience.

Funny thing is, I Don't get attacked by swarms of germans, I get attacked by swarms of russian

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

CoreB eredeti hozzászólása:

Besides the russian bias only started out as a joke because Gaijin have their headquaters in russia but the joke got way out of control and now used by the wheraboos who constatnly wack T34s and IS1/2s with the 88 which couldnt give a sh*t about sloped armour in an attempt to get them all nerfed so they can seal club them even more

oh what a bunch of BS