turret vs turretless

[doodwheel]

is there anything better turretless tanks do besides cost?

[Katokevin]

A casemate style tank destroyer is generally smaller, lower profile, and mounting a good gun. A good example is the SU-57. Small, mounts the powerful 57mm gun, but lacks in armor (again, a trait of casemate style TD's). Some are the exact opposite though. The Jagdtiger and Ferdinand mount a strong gun, but are very large and slow, but have quite thick armor.

The biggest dissadvantage though is that they are cramped. Crew memebers are often lined up (A Stug III for example has 3/4 crew lined up on the side of the drivers port, resulting in easy 1 hit kills) and ammo racks can be easy to hit (often stored right on the sides). It can take a fair amount of skill to become a good SPG user, but when you do, you can be a VERY big threat.

Take advantage of the low profile, good gun (usually), learn to make the first shot hit and hit something important, and you become a great sniper who can rack up kills if you keep your distance and watch your flanks.

[Katokevin]

Originally posted by Mirage:

I'd say the negatives outweigh the positives off it.

I would say it depends on the SPG. A Ferdinand may have thick armor and a powerful gun, but the 80mm frontal weakpoints (and some tanks it faces) make it terrible. But the Dicker Max and Nashorn are amazing for where they sit. Paper thin armor, but the gun more then makes up for it (and that depression on the DM).

As for OP, look up the TD you are looking at (if you intend to use one). Ask around, look at the BR and ammo, watch some videos, etc. Some can be very good while others may be a waste of SL and research.

[TaxFraudTodd]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Just considering they aren't the fastest, and there are a lot of urban maps which do not favor a TD as you cannot really peak around a corner.
Aswell as the frequency of your driver being knocked out, combined with the crew being close together, needing tracks, transmission, engine and everything in order to be able to aim, just losing your tracks will get you killed.
The long reload times allows for faster tanks to just drive upto you and out of your firing angles and park next to you.

well I wouldn't say all of that to be true. Look at the m18s they seem to thrive in urban maps with their speed, and gun.

[Katokevin]

Originally posted by ToddTheTroll2142:

Originally posted by Mirage:

Just considering they aren't the fastest, and there are a lot of urban maps which do not favor a TD as you cannot really peak around a corner.
Aswell as the frequency of your driver being knocked out, combined with the crew being close together, needing tracks, transmission, engine and everything in order to be able to aim, just losing your tracks will get you killed.
The long reload times allows for faster tanks to just drive upto you and out of your firing angles and park next to you.

well I wouldn't say all of that to be true. Look at the m18s they seem to thrive in urban maps with their speed, and gun.

Excpt OP (and us) are talking about casemate style. But even on urban maps, a person who knows his TD well can do good in it (talking about a casemate style once again). I've had no issue using an ASU-57 or Stug III in urban maps so long as you just wait around common spots that people usually use.

[crip walking barrage]

Depending on the map, I've found the tortoise to be a pretty hard target to kill if you know how to cover your weakspots

[rc33579]

Does little ASU-57 make good TD???

[Gunsofglory]

Originally posted by rc33579:

Does little ASU-57 make good TD???

From the looks of it, yes. It sports a very good cannon and is the smallest tank in the game. You can hide in pretty nifty places and ambush tanks without anyone seeing you.

[Katokevin]

Originally posted by mingus dingus:

Depending on the map, I've found the tortoise to be a pretty hard target to kill if you know how to cover your weakspots

Cover the lower portion to prevent fires and angle so the MG port on the left (when using it, so left from viewing behind) and you are good for the most part.

Originally posted by rc33579:

Does little ASU-57 make good TD???

It can be. Best advantage is the size. Being the smallest tank in-game sounds kind of bad, but if you get right beside almost any tank, it can't depress the gun low enough to hit you. Makes for a great bush sniper. Keep in mind that it is open top and has 6mm max armor. The 57mm is not that great with stock rounds, but the ones you unlock can do decent if you hit the enemy in the right place. Though with the armor, open top, and only 3 man crew, it is best kept as a backup machine.

[Dr.Pepsi Man]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Just considering they aren't the fastest, and there are a lot of urban maps which do not favor a TD as you cannot really peak around a corner.
Aswell as the frequency of your driver being knocked out, combined with the crew being close together, needing tracks, transmission, engine and everything in order to be able to aim, just losing your tracks will get you killed.
The long reload times allows for faster tanks to just drive upto you and out of your firing angles and park next to you.

It's all about playstyle and knowing the strengths of the vehicle and knowing the map.

[Dr.Pepsi Man]

Originally posted by rc33579:

Does little ASU-57 make good TD???

Can't tell if you're serious given your profile picture.

the asu 57 is low profile, fast and powerful with the downside of it being paper thin.

[TaxFraudTodd]

Originally posted by Шогк наяdег Комгдdе☭:

Originally posted by ToddTheTroll2142:

well I wouldn't say all of that to be true. Look at the m18s they seem to thrive in urban maps with their speed, and gun.

Excpt OP (and us) are talking about casemate style. But even on urban maps, a person who knows his TD well can do good in it (talking about a casemate style once again). I've had no issue using an ASU-57 or Stug III in urban maps so long as you just wait around common spots that people usually use.

Then I will just change m18 into jpz 4-5. Still matches some of the points only difference is that it has terrible starter ammo. The jpz 4-5 may even be the best tier V TD in my opinion.

[rc33579]

Originally posted by Шогк наяdег Комгдdе☭:

Originally posted by mingus dingus:

Depending on the map, I've found the tortoise to be a pretty hard target to kill if you know how to cover your weakspots

Cover the lower portion to prevent fires and angle so the MG port on the left (when using it, so left from viewing behind) and you are good for the most part.

Originally posted by rc33579:

Does little ASU-57 make good TD???

It can be. Best advantage is the size. Being the smallest tank in-game sounds kind of bad, but if you get right beside almost any tank, it can't depress the gun low enough to hit you. Makes for a great bush sniper. Keep in mind that it is open top and has 6mm max armor. The 57mm is not that great with stock rounds, but the ones you unlock can do decent if you hit the enemy in the right place. Though with the armor, open top, and only 3 man crew, it is best kept as a backup machine.

I use APCR rounds, and yes, stock rounds are not that well
196mm at 10m, and 155mm at 500m

[rc33579]

Originally posted by Dr. Doktor:

Originally posted by rc33579:

Does little ASU-57 make good TD???

Can't tell if you're serious given your profile picture.

the asu 57 is low profile, fast and powerful with the downside of it being paper thin.

:D