Anti soviet bias T 34-57 1943

[Edopardo]

T 34-57 1943 should be 4.3 change my mind.
It is not better than a panzer IV H and the 57mm doesn't justify a wopping 0.7 increase over the standard T-34-76. This tank is just out of place at 4.7 constantly facing tigers and panthers, hands down worst premium i have. Holy hell just because it was good at 4.3 doesn't mean it was OP-
Looks like the trend here, every good soviet tank is automatically OP, so let's move it up in tier until it becomes a complete useless piece of garbage, that's the same thing they did with the t-44 sitting at 6.7, maybe is still op move it to 7.0 please, make the wehraboos happy

[Torn_Apart]

Got to say i disagree and im a Russian main. The was i see it the asu-57 does extremely well at 4.3 with zero armour and no turret. Personally i consider it superior in nearly every way to a panzer IV H. That may be due to the amount of time ive played compared to germany though.
All this is purely in relation to the 57 though. When it comes to the T44 im on your side.

[Gravlar]

Only played 26 battles in it, but 88% win rate and 61% overall says it's probably ok where it is.

It can pen pretty much anything it looks at even in a full uptier and has a super quick reload on a pretty fast hull.

Eats tigers and panthers for breakfast.

[Edopardo]

Originally posted by Mirage:

I don't see how you could say it's not better than a Panzer IV.

the panzer has a better gun overall, has better optics, has a camo and if players weren't so stupid to fill the thing with ammo it could also withstand some shots. i remember when the panzer was 4.7 and I wrote somewhere how it was completely outclassed, obviously everyone was telling me the tank was fine and that I was a noob, etc and guess what? It was moved down, and by a lot. It's always the same story over and over

[The Wiggly Armed Man]

Originally posted by Edopardo:

Originally posted by Mirage:

I don't see how you could say it's not better than a Panzer IV.

the panzer has a better gun overall, has better optics, has a camo and if players weren't so stupid to fill the thing with ammo it could also withstand some shots. i remember when the panzer was 4.7 and I wrote somewhere how it was completely outclassed, obviously everyone was telling me the tank was fine and that I was a noob, etc and guess what? It was moved down, and by a lot. It's always the same story over and over

The 57-mm ZiS-4 is a better gun overall compared to the KwK. 40 L/48. The only difference is that the Pz. Gr. 39 has 1.18 g more of effective explosive filler than the BR-271K and that the BR-271P APCR is slightly worse than the Pz. Gr. 40.

[EDSmike74]

just put the T34 and KV1, KV2 back to BR 4.7 as it was before, to stop the Russian bias at BR 3.7.

[Torn_Apart]

Kv-1 and kv-2 at 4.7....no

[mamitotales]

Originally posted by EDSmike74:

just put the T34 and KV1, KV2 back to BR 4.7 as it was before, to stop the Russian bias at BR 3.7.

excuse me what the ♥♥♥♥?

also would you like br 1.0 Leo 2A7

[Thundercracker]

Originally posted by Edopardo:

T 34-57 1943 should be 4.3 change my mind.
It is not better than a panzer IV H and the 57mm doesn't justify a wopping 0.7 increase over the standard T-34-76. This tank is just out of place at 4.7 constantly facing tigers and panthers, hands down worst premium i have. Holy hell just because it was good at 4.3 doesn't mean it was OP-
Looks like the trend here, every good soviet tank is automatically OP, so let's move it up in tier until it becomes a complete useless piece of garbage, that's the same thing they did with the t-44 sitting at 6.7, maybe is still op move it to 7.0 please, make the wehraboos happy

now, compare to the US 4.7.

[Edopardo]

Originally posted by The Wiggly Armed Man:

Originally posted by Edopardo:

The 57-mm ZiS-4 is a better gun overall compared to the KwK. 40 L/48. The only difference is that the Pz. Gr. 39 has 1.18 g more of effective explosive filler than the BR-271K and that the BR-271P APCR is slightly worse than the Pz. Gr. 40.

The penetration values are the same. Armor? panzer IV H is not less armored than the t-34, the panzer has also 1 more crew member, better optics, what else? mobility is the only thing the t-34 is better at while sitting 0.7 higher. Btw let's not forget that the t-34-57 1943 is a PREMIUM . So i pay for a premium tank and expect it to be GOOD not a garbage tin can, otherwise it wouldn't make any sense to pay for it. it was good at 4.3 now it just isn't, simple as that.

[The Wiggly Armed Man]

Originally posted by Edopardo:

The penetration values are the same. Armor? panzer IV H is not less armored than the t-34, the panzer has also 1 more crew member, better optics, what else? mobility is the only thing the t-34 is better at while sitting 0.7 higher. Btw let's not forget that the t-34-57 1943 is a PREMIUM . So i pay for a premium tank and expect it to be GOOD not a garbage tin can, otherwise it wouldn't make any sense to pay for it. it was good at 4.3 now it just isn't, simple as that.

The 57-mm has a higher muzzle velocity by a longshot. The only advantage that Pz. Gr. 39 has is an irrelevant amount of explosive filler.

And no, the Pz. IV isn't better armoured than the T-34 lmao. Like seriously? The 1943 version in particular has a trolly mantlet, and any T-34 hull is far better armoured than a Pz. IV. You can angle in a T-34, you can't in a Pz. IV.

[Gravlar]

Originally posted by Edopardo:

The penetration values are the same. Armor? panzer IV H is not less armored than the t-34, the panzer has also 1 more crew member, better optics, what else? mobility is the only thing the t-34 is better at while sitting 0.7 higher. Btw let's not forget that the t-34-57 1943 is a PREMIUM . So i pay for a premium tank and expect it to be GOOD not a garbage tin can, otherwise it wouldn't make any sense to pay for it. it was good at 4.3 now it just isn't, simple as that.

Skill issue confirmed

[Knugen]

Originally posted by mamitotales:

Originally posted by EDSmike74:

just put the T34 and KV1, KV2 back to BR 4.7 as it was before, to stop the Russian bias at BR 3.7.

excuse me what the ♥♥♥♥?

also would you like br 1.0 Leo 2A7

Yes please.

[Akagi]

Originally posted by Edopardo:

Originally posted by The Wiggly Armed Man:

The penetration values are the same. Armor? panzer IV H is not less armored than the t-34, the panzer has also 1 more crew member, better optics, what else? mobility is the only thing the t-34 is better at while sitting 0.7 higher. Btw let's not forget that the t-34-57 1943 is a PREMIUM . So i pay for a premium tank and expect it to be GOOD not a garbage tin can, otherwise it wouldn't make any sense to pay for it. it was good at 4.3 now it just isn't, simple as that.

While the Pz 4H might have more front armor in numbers, its boxed shape makes it have a worse armor effectiveness than the sloped armor of the T-34. The T-34 also has some side armor, making its armor effectiveness even better when angling whereas even a shot on the Pz IVs side on a l small angle will go through.

Besides that, the T-34's only real weakspot in the front is the trolly turret ring.

The gun of the T-34 is also way better. It might lack in post penetration but it packs a punch, has amazing muzzle velocity and barely any bullet drop as well as a decent reload rate, giving the T-34 combined with its armor and mobility the option to choose between brawling, sniping and flanking. The Pz 4H is mainly a sniper.

Just because the late Panzer 4s are heavily undertiered doesnt mean tgat Russia needs to jump on that trend. Especually not with a tank that's so great it still performs even in a 5.7 line up