8.7, 9,0 , 9.7 unplayable due to massive spam from su 25 and a10,

[♕Canario]

Gaijin, is it so difficult to give missiles of 15 or 20 g at most to these planes? mig 15, mig 19, sabers facing off against constant 30g missiles... It's so hard to separate planes by generations, it's no fun watching a mig 15 or sabers get shot down by 30g missiles helplessly.. . ............ 9.0 or 8.7 planes are just useless in an up tier. God if I caught the a10 and planes literally can't do anything against that... if the pilot is good or decent of course. Sorry for my English

[Sharky]

+ f...... MIG 21S everywhere.

The premiums are sold, the money is correct. Gaijin is pleased.

[Black_Fox]

Maybe we as players should stop playing high tier and leave the people that spend money to get there without teammates/enemies for week or so.

Just to send Gaijin the message that it sucks to play in those BR ranges

[[Ono] Bonedout]

game has allways been unplayable since they allow users to cheat with esp and aim assist cheats these control your craft while flying too stablize your shots making you fly smooth too and they have people on there team both on steam and in development using them why do you think they dont even try to stop the cheats? cause they use them and sell them

[MEGAMIND]

Originally posted by ♕Canario:

Gaijin, is it so difficult to give missiles of 15 or 20 g at most to these planes? mig 15, mig 19, sabers facing off against constant 30g missiles... It's so hard to separate planes by generations, it's no fun watching a mig 15 or sabers get shot down by 30g missiles helplessly.. . ............ 9.0 or 8.7 planes are just useless in an up tier. God if I caught the a10 and planes literally can't do anything against that... if the pilot is good or decent of course. Sorry for my English

A-10 is understandable, but the SU-25 is too much for 9.0

[76561198315424152]

Base br with what was in before the supersonic update, & proper decompress the jet era already, jesus flipping tricycle

[Black_Fox]

Originally posted by Tidsloop:

Base br with what was in before the supersonic update, & proper decompress the jet era already, jesus flipping tricycle

But...but... but the queue times, will anybody think about the queue times?!

[Sull]

I think a more reasonable thing to add in regards to this would be flares, even where they're historically inaccurate. I like historical accuracy but there comes a point where the focus on that causes gameplay to suffer and WT is way past that point. But rather than give missiles to planes that didn't have them I think flares could be a compromise.

Of course the ultimate thing would be BR decompression but yea..

[Sirus]

Originally posted by Sull:

I think a more reasonable thing to add in regards to this would be flares, even where they're historically inaccurate. I like historical accuracy but there comes a point where the focus on that causes gameplay to suffer and WT is way past that point. But rather than give missiles to planes that didn't have them I think flares could be a compromise.

Of course the ultimate thing would be BR decompression but yea..

So sabres facing supersonic jets and all aspect 30g missles is historically accurate?

[Sull]

Originally posted by Sirus:

So sabres facing supersonic jets and all aspect 30g missles is historically accurate?

Not a historian but no I wouldn't think so, then again neither is any Swedish plane facing any plane at all. Never claimed everything was 100% but in regards to if model x can get component y or not Gaijin are pretty consistent about requiring evidence that it has basis in reality. And in the end what you're describing is basically just a symptom of BR compression and the matchmaker searching +/-1 of your BR.

[WeebLord69]

Originally posted by Sharky:

+ f...... MIG 21S everywhere.

The premiums are sold, the money is correct. Gaijin is pleased.

MIG-21S are most definitely not the problem at this br, maybe the german premium one thats it.

[JuX]

Not really the planes you need to worry about.

There are far more dangerous planes in the 9.3-10.3 air battles. Thanks to br compression. From A-5C (10br premium), F-5C (10.3 premium), Mig-21's (10.3) and Crusaders (10.3).

Even something like F3H-2 (9.3), which is utter trash plane in these battles. But formidable dogfighter in downtiers that you get maybe once a month.

A-10 is 10br now so it's chances of getting a full downtier game is practically zero. And in these 9.3-10.3 battles even low spectrum planes can outplay it, cause of it's sluggish nature. Which makes Su-25 far more dangerous and annoying cause it's not slow like A-10.


But your not wrong in a way. Lot of jets in high tiers are completely unplayble in air battles cause of the vastly superior opponents they face. And to add insult to injury Gaijin is charging 15k silver to repair these trash jets.

[Futuristic Hexagon]

Originally posted by Black_Fox:

Maybe we as players should stop playing high tier and leave the people that spend money to get there without teammates/enemies for week or so.

Just to send Gaijin the message that it sucks to play in those BR ranges

Wouldn't that be like 90% of the 8.7 to 10.3 bracket these days?

Originally posted by WeebLord69:

Originally posted by Sharky:

+ f...... MIG 21S everywhere.

The premiums are sold, the money is correct. Gaijin is pleased.

MIG-21S are most definitely not the problem at this br, maybe the german premium one thats it.

It depends. In raw performance, the S is way better (it's a later model from the late 60s, basically what the export MF model is based on.) It lacks in missiles and Countermeasures.

But in countermeasures (if the pilot chooses them) and missiles, the SPS-K is better. But in the end, it's basically a PFM that's the result of a LSK program to allow them to carry R-60s. In game I rarely get a full downtier (but do have to often face a wall of AV-8As and A-10As. Regardless if im at 10.0 or 9.0.)

Should add we are still missing a bit of functionality in the SPS-K (and other -21s with it) in regards to the SPS-141 pod. I have a feeling they'll add it in upcoming updates once they figure out how to work such mechanics. The SPS-K is an oddball. It could move up to 10.3 maybe just due to the R-60s, but it can struggle against many lower planes too. It literally is just a upgraded PFM with better toys (R-60s.)

I think 10.0 is fine for the SPS-K in its current state, but the AV-8A and Su-25s need to come up to 10.0. With their large CM banks and great missiles, along with some positive performance attributes, these have little business in 9.7. Another move up a notch or two should help in the 8.7 to 10.3 bracket right now.