T-34s... T-34s everywhere...

[Flam3]

Title.

Something needs to be done, they are far too overpowered for a Tier 2 medium tank which of course means the majority play Russian to use them, all I have seen in battles now for the past couple of hours is T-34 variants, even in the Tier 3 battles the T-34-57 mod 43 is everywhere.

The grind you have to do to unlock the German heavy tanks is insane, but having to go up against T-34s all of the time for that grind is just no fun at all.

[Rontagosh]

I stopped playing tanks because of this. I played AA for a while until they added the lead shot reitcle in RB (lead shot reticles don't belong in RB). So then I ditched the land vehicles all together and strictly played stuka (dive bombing). I stopped doing that when I realized player tanks had cloaking devices and how overpowered/misplaced the AAA is. I kept getting shot down by either AAA or t-34's (b/c of lead shot reticle). Uninstalled after that.

[Flam3]

Messaggio originale di Rontagosh:

I stopped playing tanks because of this. I played AA for a while until they added the lead shot reitcle on RB. So then I ditched the land vehicles all together and strictly played stuka (dive bombing). I stopped doing that when I realized player tanks had cloaking devices and how overpowered the AAA is. Uninstalled after that.

I get what you mean mate, the game is heading in a horrible direction with the bias towards other nations but Russian.

[Rontagosh]

Messaggio originale di Flam3:

I get what you mean mate, the game is heading in a horrible direction with the bias towards other nations but Russian.

When it came to air battles, I'd only join the queue when there were no russians in queue, so to avoid playing against them. Game got a lot more fun after that (until I got tired of air battles). No choice yet when it comes to tanks.

Air battles: one nation that beat the russians for me more than others were the japanese. But this was only because of the vast amount of noobs grinding russian planes without really knowing how to fly them. So most of them would turn fight and we all know what happens when you turnfight a zero in RB (there were some matches as japanese where we didn't lose a plane against them). Sorry, getting off-topic here.

[Flam3]

Messaggio originale di Rontagosh:

Messaggio originale di Flam3:

I get what you mean mate, the game is heading in a horrible direction with the bias towards other nations but Russian.

When it came to air battles, I'd only join the queue when there were no russians in queue, so to avoid playing against them. Game got a lot more fun after that (until I got tired of air battles). No choice yet when it comes to tanks.

I honestly hope that other nations become available soon for ground forces, at least that way more people would hopefully be inclined to try them out and give the Russian tanks a break.

[Rontagosh]

For sure.

[I AM THE DOCTOR NOW]

And I'm just sitting here getting 10 kills on my first Pz4F2 life...

[Kitten]

If you're having trouble killing T-34's, you're not using your tank right. The Panzer III Ausf L, the Stug with the long 75, and the Panzer IV Ausf F2 are all capable of killing a T-34 outright with a well-placed shell - especially the Stug and PzIV.

My suggestion is to aim for the driver's hatch in the T-34's hull, the turret ring, or if you're attacking from the side, just below the turret on the hull side. They're easy to kill - ridiculously easy, honestly - if you mind your shot placement and you use the right ammo for the job. (In general PzGr 39, the standard APHE round, is more than adequate for killing T-34's. Don't use APCR, it tends to overpenetrate without doing significant damage.)

I average between 5 and 9 tank kills per match with my Pz IV Ausf G, so again, if you're having trouble killing T-34's and you're running German tanks then the problem is the driver, not overpowered Ruskie armor or underpowered German AFV's.

[Flam3]

I don't want to have to be restricted to a couple of tanks though to even have a chance at killing some T-34s. It's not so much a matter of killing loads of T-34s for me, but just so I can do well enough to research the next tank as fast as possible to progress through the tanks so I can show them in action on my Youtube channel.

I'm currently in Tier 3 battles using the Jagdpanzer 38(t) for the extra research so I can give the Tiger a go, but of course because I can't do well in it, I'm not getting the benefit of the extra research points. After a couple of weeks of playing maybe an hour or two (because of the T-34 invasion) I did finally unlock the Tiger though, but the tips are appreciated if I just want to slaughter a bunch of the T-34s.

[Vuyek]

Guess what *****.

All of us just grinded the "fair and balanced" T 34 85.

And when I say all of us...

I MEAN ALL OF US.

WE ARE LEGION.

[Land]

You say the T-34 is OP for it's tier? how about that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fecking Panz Ausf F2? huh? bloody thing one-shots 90% of the time whenever I see one.
Hell! even when I think I got the drop on one by aiming for a rear or side shot, BAM! another sodding one takes me out in one shot.

[Flam3]

Messaggio originale di Land:

You say the T-34 is OP for it's tier? how about that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fecking Panz Ausf F2? huh? bloody thing one-shots 90% of the time whenever I see one.
Hell! even when I think I got the drop on one by aiming for a rear or side shot, BAM! another sodding one takes me out in one shot.

So... you got flanked by a couple of PzIV F2s and they are OP? I guess what Jiang said early counts for both sides in that case.

[Der Lachende Mann]

Messaggio originale di Flam3:

I don't want to have to be restricted to a couple of tanks though to even have a chance at killing some T-34s. It's not so much a matter of killing loads of T-34s for me, but just so I can do well enough to research the next tank as fast as possible to progress through the tanks so I can show them in action on my Youtube channel.

I'm currently in Tier 3 battles using the Jagdpanzer 38(t) for the extra research so I can give the Tiger a go, but of course because I can't do well in it, I'm not getting the benefit of the extra research points. After a couple of weeks of playing maybe an hour or two (because of the T-34 invasion) I did finally unlock the Tiger though, but the tips are appreciated if I just want to slaughter a bunch of the T-34s.

I played the Jagdpanzer 38 (t) (and also Pz III M) to unlock winter camo, so if you don't perform well with that one (it has a pretty decent gun after all) I was wondering if maybe you're using the wrong ammo?

[Vex]

You wont be missed :p

Messaggio originale di Rontagosh:

For sure.

[Kitten]

Messaggio originale di Flam3:

I don't want to have to be restricted to a couple of tanks though to even have a chance at killing some T-34s. It's not so much a matter of killing loads of T-34s for me, but just so I can do well enough to research the next tank as fast as possible to progress through the tanks so I can show them in action on my Youtube channel.

I'm currently in Tier 3 battles using the Jagdpanzer 38(t) for the extra research so I can give the Tiger a go, but of course because I can't do well in it, I'm not getting the benefit of the extra research points. After a couple of weeks of playing maybe an hour or two (because of the T-34 invasion) I did finally unlock the Tiger though, but the tips are appreciated if I just want to slaughter a bunch of the T-34s.

The thing is that you have to play a tank that is effective - you might happen to like the Panzer IV Ausf F1 because the 7,5 howitzer has a high rate of fire, but it's still completely inferior to any tank with a proper gun like the Panzer IV Ausf F2 or the Panzer III L. It's the same way on the Russian side - you have to pick a vehicle with adequate firepower or you're going to get stomped by someone who has a decent gun tank. (That is, a tank armed with a proper gun.)

Also, you may find that the later variants of the Panzer IV and the first Panther are more effective combat vehicles than the Tiger; the Tiger is awesome, but I murdered two and disabled a third (they were squadded) in my Panzer IV G simply because the Tiger I isn't very mobile and has terrible turret traverse. They're immensely powerful at long range, but their mobility is generally inadequate for very fluid battles. The later Panzer IV's have mobility in spades and barely adequate armor, where the Panther has an almost perfect balance of armor, firepower, and mobility - it's completely superior to the T-34-85.

Anyways, rant aside - the biggest problem I think most German players have is the selection of ammo. Playing Ruskie, I can't tell you how many times I've had a German gun tank hit my T-34-57 with APCR only for the round to go clean through without any significant BAD (behind armor damage) leaving me to pop a 57 mil round in their turret for their trouble. Use ammunition appropriate to the target - APCR for heavies like the KV and IS, but use APHE and APCBC, etc, for engaging all other targets. The BAD from an APHE or APCBC is far and away superior to the BAD from an APCR round.

Also, shot placement. Shot placement is key, and players on both sides forget that and just blast blindly away at a target's nose with the hope of scoring a penetrating hit. My suggestion would be to grab your tank of choice, go to 'test drive', and spend some time driving about and experimenting with different ammunition for your vehicle's gun. More importantly, learn what round does the most damage when applied to a given weak point. (Hint - APCBC to the turret ring of a T-34 frequently disables the turret drives and has a solid chance of detonating the ammo stowage if the poor chap is carrying lots of HE. If you can make the shot, take it, it's generally enough to disable a T-34 and force him to withdraw.)

Lastly, don't expose yourself to fire. Pick covered positions; low hills, sunken roads, rock outcroppings. If you don't have any of that, use trees and brush for visual cover. Expose as little of your tank as practical to fire, and always retreat into cover as you reload. In the time it takes a modestly well-trained crew to reload your 7,5 cm gun, a Russian with the 57 can get off nearly two rounds - either of which could kill or disable you. Slow is smooth and smooth is fast, so take it easy and play patiently. It'll reward you in the end, especially with the raw firepower carried by most German tanks.

[Polish Electrician]

Messaggio originale di Flam3:

Title.

Something needs to be done, they are far too overpowered for a Tier 2 medium tank which of course means the majority play Russian to use them, all I have seen in battles now for the past couple of hours is T-34 variants, even in the Tier 3 battles the T-34-57 mod 43 is everywhere.

The grind you have to do to unlock the German heavy tanks is insane, but having to go up against T-34s all of the time for that grind is just no fun at all.

This game has nothing. NOTHING, on World of Tanks. Think the tank grind on german tanks are bad? Have fun spending weeks and weeks and weeks just to get to the tiger. And then still be overpowered by some kid with a KV-2 who one shots you with an HE round to your frontal armor.

Sure, there are a lot of Russian tanks, but it's a hell of a lot more even in this game. Unlike German tanks in World of Tanks, your guns are constanty underpowered and reliant on premium shells to do any damage whatsoever.

And honestly, I see an even balance of tanks in my matches.