Aimbots

[Basic]

Clearly aim bot usage is rife.

There are multiple videos on YT, and I only started looking into the topic after having a player take out 8-9 of my team, one after another with 1-2 shots each.

Yet any time this comes up in discussion, someone from Gaijin claims they don't exist, then desperately tries to get the video taken down from YT with a copyright claim.

Instead of burying your heads in the sand and sticking your fingers in your ears, will you please actually _do_ something about the problem?

Yet another video showing cheats in use, this one from March this year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7bT-WFUmlY

Very frustrating that it happens at all, but doubly so when the game developers are more concerned with hushing it up than actually addressing it.

[↯Zindy⛦]

It isn't unheard of sniping pilots in 1-2 hits, even when i fail to snipe the pilot, i can usually rip off a critical component or something in a 2-3 second burst easy 85% of the time if you know exactly what your doing with a plane you're very familiar with.

[Bogey]

Saw the first obvious cheater today. I've seen strange things before, but never enough to be sure. I was about to write a complaint, but the game ended before I had finished writing so that came to nothing. Couldn't remember the name of the cheater either, as it was made up of more or less random letters. Stupid interface ...

[Coelian]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Danny74:

Początkowo opublikowane przez MaximeDelaroux:

Danny, let this be a final warning to you on insulting fellow forumers. I'll have none of that. You could have easily said everything you wanted to minus the insults.

But then it wouldn't be fun would it?

Is there a reason to insult people for fun?

[Vriz]

Watched the vid, thats definitely not aimbot in the slightest.


1. In order to snap onto the target, the plane itself has to snap instantly onto the plane in order keep shooting at the lead indicator and beyond.

This is clearly not evident on the biplane shown in 2:41 as the player's having trouble catching it. With aimbot, that certainly wouldn't be the case, even if the plane itself can't make that turn fast enough.

2. 2:24, the player is shooting at the biplane and only scoring hits. With aimbot enabled, if it ever was, the damage would've been much more crucial to the plane (i.e scoring hits to the engine and setting it on fire immediately, or outright killing the pilot)


And this continues to 2:57.... the entire time, legitimately struggling to keep the target on him whilst shooting.

3. 3:48, the player is preemptively shooting at a player, he actually stops shooting midway through despite having the ammo and no overheating, What's worse is that its a Ki-43, a paper plane. Anything with some punch would wreck it. Which is what a Yak has with 20mm cannon.

Player still kills the ki-43, but again, if it was actually aimbot, he obviously didn't need to lead him, stop shooting and change direction. Even though the first volley had very few hits despite the early spray.



4. 3:59, most blatant display of NOT having aimbot. He sprays at the Spitfire but doesnt get the kill despite using ALL his cannon ammo.... and not even a SINGLE critical hit.


Final straw:

4:36....

If he really did have aimbot, why.... WHY THE ♥♥♥♥ IS HE NOT EVEN SHOOTING AT THE PLANE RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM...

His reticle isn't even on TARGET.

Didn't score even a SINGLE HIT, critical or otherwise...



7:00...

The player legitimately tries to get on target and sprays but it doesn't even connect....




And it occurs throughout the matches............






16:06, he gets into a chaika....... omg...... he's legitimately struggling to keep on target while using whats arguably the best armed biplane in the game with 4 machineguns and what looks to be stealth ammo... he didn't even manage to set the plane on fire...........




I'm sorry OP, but if you're honestly looking on Youtube to hide the fact that you suck behind "hacks" like these, then you're honestly sad.

What's worse is that he isn't even displaying where you can buy or get the hacks in the first place. He doesn't even show his scoreboard at the end.


3 kills to what, 3 deaths is PRETTY AVERAGE (barely breaking even) for someone who supposedly is AIMBOTTING.


It's really saddening that you need to resort to this.... horrendous actually.


I'm sorry again, but I'm all for new players trying to play and learn the game, but players that blame something other than themselves by using this video (and actual players that actually use cheats) in general to defend their inability to adapt.... are toxic.

[Makolic]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Danny74:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Makolic:

Not paying attention let's try it from this angle. For the servers to calculate what do they need? Packets from your computer registering your movement. One of those packets involves the pilot assist for mouse users. All you have to do is hide a virus, or a new packet calcuation there. By doing so the server itself will register a hit, even if you are off on your shot. Without the packet from your computer the server can't register if you are shooting or being shot.
In fact a person who knows how to pull a lag switch. Can keep themselves from being hit even if they are sitting on a run way by denying packets to the server.
I'm trying to help you understand programming here. So this is the easiest set up I can explain. "


Player action>Pilot instructor>modified code>server>calculated>player action.


Though hack gajin servers could be considered Highly illegal. Because you aren't simply hacking a game you are actually hacking their equipment. But it can still be done. If some teen can hack into one of the most secured networks in the world. Screwing with gajin servers wouldn't be much of a problem. Like I said stop tempting fate, before it actually happens. If You keep adding fuel to the challenge. Someone's going to pick up that torch.

I would also advice against looking for cheats. Because it is true in all games and hacks for those games. Some hackers are looking to steal Identification. In fact several hundreds of people have had their ID stolen because of it. So I always say exercise extreme caution or don't do it.


Also no it's not that difficult to create a hack to be used in their server side.

No, for an aimbot to work it would enemy's packets aswell, to be able to calculate enemy speed aswell, direction etc.
Sure you might think it's easy to hack your packets, but what about the others, what about server's own calculations?
Not to mention, I do believe Gaijin's server have some sort of protection agaisnt those types of things, or else there would be cheats out changing your plane's top speed for example.
Like I said, hacking Gaijin's servers just to be able to cheat, is borderline impossible and extremely unlikely.
And if such cheat existed out there, I highly doubt the average joe would have access to it, as the devs would try to keep it hidden from Gaijin and sell it for exorbitant prices to professional players.

All you have to do is tell the server that your shots are positive. Even then, answer me this and think about it real hard. How does your packet calculate the lead indicator you see? Leader indicater alters it's distance from the plane in accordance to it's speed. That way you the human can calculate your shots. A computer can do that better and faster.

That's the weak point and that's where you send the false postive hit. That way regardless if you are off mark when aiming at the spot. It will consider it a hit. Simple program can do that. A program that isn't any more advance than a mod for Fallout 4. Best part, half the programmers job is already done in pilot assist and that lead indicator. It's not that hard.

Like I said stop tempting fate. There is a chance a hack like that already exist and has been caught by gajin. Give it time and keep up with this Gajin is unhackable crap you guys keep pushing. And some hacker will get insulted and make one so advance gajin won't catch it without the source code. I never understand why people try to insult hackers by saying they can't hack something. It'll forever be beyond me what excitement you guys get out of tempting fate. But whatever.


Edit: Read a something wrong. My fault. But yes they would keep it hidden. Selling to professional players though... No they would sell to whoever is willing to buy or they would give it out like candy just to prove they can do it.

[Vriz]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Makolic:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Danny74:

No, for an aimbot to work it would enemy's packets aswell, to be able to calculate enemy speed aswell, direction etc.
Sure you might think it's easy to hack your packets, but what about the others, what about server's own calculations?
Not to mention, I do believe Gaijin's server have some sort of protection agaisnt those types of things, or else there would be cheats out changing your plane's top speed for example.
Like I said, hacking Gaijin's servers just to be able to cheat, is borderline impossible and extremely unlikely.
And if such cheat existed out there, I highly doubt the average joe would have access to it, as the devs would try to keep it hidden from Gaijin and sell it for exorbitant prices to professional players.

All you have to do is tell the server that your shots are positive. Even then, answer me this and think about it real hard. How does your packet calculate the lead indicator you see? Leader indicater alters it's distance from the plane in accordance to it's speed. That way you the human can calculate your shots. A computer can do that better and faster.

That's the weak point and that's where you send the false postive hit. That way regardless if you are off mark when aiming at the spot. It will consider it a hit. Simple program can do that. A program that isn't any more advance than a mod for Fallout 4. Best part, half the programmers job is already done in pilot assist and that lead indicator. It's not that hard.

Like I said stop tempting fate. There is a chance a hack like that already exist and has been caught by gajin. Give it time and keep up with this Gajin is unhackable crap you guys keep pushing. And some hacker will get insulted and make one so advance gajin won't catch it without the source code. I never understand why people try to insult hackers by saying they can't hack something. It'll forever be beyond me what excitement you guys get out of tempting fate. But whatever.


Edit: Read a something wrong. My fault. But yes they would keep it hidden. Selling to professional players though... No they would sell to whoever is willing to buy or they would give it out like candy just to prove they can do it.

Which definitely isn't the case of the video the OP provided.


Regardless of that, it's HIGHLY difficult to actually MAKE an aimbot thats workable in an enviroment with 360degrees of possible movement.

In order for an aimbot to actually exist, it'd have to snap onto the lead indicator, completely bypass how the player's plane functions/moves (even in arcade) and mirror the target's movements completely in of itself to maintain that lead indicator.

What you're basically using is an FPS looking into a lead indicator. Where player movement/view to correspond with the crosshair is entirely dictated by how fast the mouse moves (Which is substituted by the aimbot) but player movement in War Thunder only translates by how fast the *plane* the player moves.

*Not* the player itself, even in Arcade. Get the difference?

Is it possible? I dont know, but I wouldn't venture to say it will NEVER be possible.

[Makolic]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Vriz:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Makolic:

All you have to do is tell the server that your shots are positive. Even then, answer me this and think about it real hard. How does your packet calculate the lead indicator you see? Leader indicater alters it's distance from the plane in accordance to it's speed. That way you the human can calculate your shots. A computer can do that better and faster.

That's the weak point and that's where you send the false postive hit. That way regardless if you are off mark when aiming at the spot. It will consider it a hit. Simple program can do that. A program that isn't any more advance than a mod for Fallout 4. Best part, half the programmers job is already done in pilot assist and that lead indicator. It's not that hard.

Like I said stop tempting fate. There is a chance a hack like that already exist and has been caught by gajin. Give it time and keep up with this Gajin is unhackable crap you guys keep pushing. And some hacker will get insulted and make one so advance gajin won't catch it without the source code. I never understand why people try to insult hackers by saying they can't hack something. It'll forever be beyond me what excitement you guys get out of tempting fate. But whatever.


Edit: Read a something wrong. My fault. But yes they would keep it hidden. Selling to professional players though... No they would sell to whoever is willing to buy or they would give it out like candy just to prove they can do it.

Which definitely isn't the case of the video the OP provided.


Regardless of that, it's HIGHLY difficult to actually MAKE an aimbot thats workable in an enviroment with 360degrees of possible movement.

In order for an aimbot to actually exist, it'd have to snap onto the lead indicator, completely bypass how the player's plane functions/moves (even in arcade) and mirror the target's movements completely in of itself to maintain that lead indicator.

What you're basically using is an FPS looking into a lead indicator. Where player movement is entirely dictated by how fast the mouse moves (Which is substituted by the aimbot) but player movement in War Thunder only translates by how fast the *plane* the player moves.

*Not* the player itself, even in Arcade. Get the difference?

Is it possible? I dont know, but I wouldn't venture to say it will NEVER be possible.

Atleast you get the never say it's not possible. That's just inviting hackers to try since they consider such things as insults.

But you aren't looking for the 360 degree enviroment. Just the lead indicator, you use it to give the false positives. While the pilot instuctor gets a nice boost from the programming. Difficult, as in it would take a month or two like any mod. Yes, but half the programming like I said is already done. You just need to send false positives. That means if you are not close to the lead indicator it won't hit. But if you are closing in on it. You will get 100% accuracy do to a false positive.
In RB just plant the lead indicator in it, and then add onto it. That's how you pull it off. Now if I see a video of someone playing RB and they have a lead indicator. I will know it's a hack. That's pretty much it. But as in so difficult that it can't be done or someone won't do it for fun. No, they'll do it. If a teenager is willing to hack into secured networks for fun. There is someone out there that will do this for fun. Especially if it's a hacking group that keeps hearing how impossible it is. Which I notice anytime cheats come up. Everyone always says it's not possible.

To me they've lost their minds. It's almost like declaring an open challenge to any and all hackers. Never a smart idea. I can get the whole locking these threads. To keep people from looking for hacks. But also to keep those who don't understand. From inviting hackers to try. Gajin seems more like preemptive moves. To try and decrease attempts and to try and find the ones that are already on.

[kiro the avenger!]

i think we're all obsessing over how hard aim bots are in planes...

can we talk about tanks?
much slower moving, often stationary.
much more accurate guns
much more LoS/permeable cover
> aim bots live here

but they still seem pretty rare. much more common in 8.0 games it seems, but still rare.
at least rare i see someone im 90% sure is hacking

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

Początkowo opublikowane przez I hate it when that happens...:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Handir:

How hard is it to believe people get 8-9 kills? In Arcade atleast 4-5 people do that and in RB you can find some dude or even 2-3 people if the game is an even 50/50 fight of skill, which rarely happens but happens.
Also, Spawn-camping and ULQ are a thing OP. Plus aimbots are less effective on WT than other games due to the lead mechanics.

In arcade I can easily get 15-20 kills and in RB I get 5 per game or 10 on a good day

ok,if you say so ,Hidden2266
or maybe you confuse AI groundtargets with real players.

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

Początkowo opublikowane przez I hate it when that happens...:

Początkowo opublikowane przez NAFdeadmike:

ok,if you say so ,Hidden2266
or maybe you confuse AI groundtargets with real players.

Human planes, but I use the I-16 which is pretty OP

are you not aware that everyone can look at your stats
and see the exact amount of kills and battles etc.??

[Blamite Delight]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Handir:

How hard is it to believe people get 8-9 kills? In Arcade atleast 4-5 people do that and in RB you can find some dude or even 2-3 people if the game is an even 50/50 fight of skill, which rarely happens but happens.
Also, Spawn-camping and ULQ are a thing OP. Plus aimbots are less effective on WT than other games due to the lead mechanics.

the aimbot locks onto the target lead indicator for you

[big Whoper]

Początkowo opublikowane przez I hate it when that happens...:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Handir:

How hard is it to believe people get 8-9 kills? In Arcade atleast 4-5 people do that and in RB you can find some dude or even 2-3 people if the game is an even 50/50 fight of skill, which rarely happens but happens.
Also, Spawn-camping and ULQ are a thing OP. Plus aimbots are less effective on WT than other games due to the lead mechanics.

In arcade I can easily get 15-20 kills and in RB I get 5 per game or 10 on a good day

Sure, when you only have negative kill/death ratios in both AB and RB. lol

[Das_Noobi]

Projectiles of every plane/tank are server sided controlled so an aimbot cant work, or the cheater hacked a server to manipulate in realtime the informations between server and client?

[Basic]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Das_Noobi:

Projectiles of every plane/tank are server sided controlled so an aimbot cant work, or the cheater hacked a server to manipulate in realtime the informations between server and client?

Can you actually explain what you mean by that? Yes, the final hit/miss decision is made by the server. That doesn't mean a client can't make the same calculations. It has all the necessary information

[Vriz]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Basic:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Das_Noobi:

Projectiles of every plane/tank are server sided controlled so an aimbot cant work, or the cheater hacked a server to manipulate in realtime the informations between server and client?

Can you actually explain what you mean by that? Yes, the final hit/miss decision is made by the server. That doesn't mean a client can't make the same calculations. It has all the necessary information

Początkowo opublikowane przez Danny74:

But the values necessary for an aimbot to work like I explained, enemy's speed, direction, etc, are not on your client side.
Like he said, the cheat would need to break into the server every game to make it work.
Which is extremely unlikely, and almost impossible.

Thus the video in your OP is faked.

Entirely.