Me 163 and ho 229? He 162 worth?

[JASON BOURNE]

Are they actually worth playing? Almost never see anyone using them yet I seen some videos talking about it like wonder weapons, do they actually work or nah? Removed soon from the tech tree maybe?

What about he 162? Literally no videos about it that arent like 4 5 years old and those usually just say its garbage plane on all aspects.

[Skibidius]

I mean horton is the hardest plane i ever played and i suck at it komet is fun but fuel thing is sucks its up to you

[JASON BOURNE]

Originally posted by MFW Not White:

I mean horton is the hardest plane i ever played and i suck at it komet is fun but fuel thing is sucks its up to you

Ever tried the he 162? Cant find recent videos nor general info thats not like 5 years ago lol

I mostly wanna focus on interceptor role to take down those bombers maybe some fighter and thats it, kinda go up 6000m over all bombers and then just rush down killing the higuest planes., like how I currently use the ta 154 and do 335.

[JASON BOURNE]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Ho229 seems pretty trash, they nerfed the guns a long time ago, it has large spread, poor belts and it doesn't fly great without a rudder.. although you can still have your tail/rudder damaged and crash through it somehow.

I just checked the ammo and so far it seems pretty good at least compared to the 108 30mm, would even say their muzzle velocity is at least double wich helps a lot, ta 154 in special Im playing a ton with it and the 108s really have a ton of issues, wanna shoot a plane going sideways very fast and dodging? Good luck hitting if its not 200-300m away only. AFAIK 103s are superior to 108s and I do fine with 108s.

When I first shoot the do 335 103 30mm I quickly noticed they go straight instead of having noticeable drop 400m away.

If not getting hit only for hunting bombers would you think its good enough or is it more like a dogfight plane?

[Lowry]

german jets suck peen, dont play them if you have weak nerves.

(for me 262 but also applies to ho 229 and he 162 (maybe))
-good guns but the bullet velocity is so slow that you wont hit anything flying over 600 kmh, when giving chase it sometimes feels liek the opponent is outrunning your bullets...
-it cant turn nor climb. it cant gain speed
-you cant boom and zoom, poor top speed, weak engine
- 1 engine dead is like having a single engine prop on red damage
the only way youll get kills are idiot enemies and suicide headons

the me 163 is a better jet in my opinion, that thing can climb

[JASON BOURNE]

Originally posted by Lowry:

german jets suck peen, dont play them if you have weak nerves

Im the kinda guy that kills you slowly and then after that follows you dont while youre just slowly dieing, so got plenty of patience lol

[Lowry]

highcamp i also mainly play german jets, thats how i know theyre bad lol

[JASON BOURNE]

Originally posted by Lowry:

highcamp i also mainly play german jets, thats how i know theyre bad lol

Dare to explain what is exactly bad on them? They must have their advantages and disadvantages like all planes right?

[Preditorian]

163 is great when you do not use rudder as you will out turn basically every plane in the game with no rudder use plus the rocket motor.

The 229 also under 450 will out turn just about everything you see due to... gaijin logic? Its 30mm belts will wreak any plane they hit, and the HVAP will ruin a tankers day, yes it was nerfed, but it is still useful.

162, no, heck no, stay away from that thing at all cost, its slow, cant turn, guns are very hard to use and its fragile.

[Futuristic Hexagon]

As a MiG-9 (base, not late) pilot who usually flew against in air RB:

-The Ho-229 is particularly annoying, it is still capable of high speed (though I don't think high G, though it has gotten help there), and has a turn rate that is very good for a jet. Unless something changed in the last few months, those engines would also soak up 23 and 37s like they were made from Unobtainium, at worst giving the Ho a slight oil leak. The Wings though, if the lucky shot did hit it, would shatter fro my understanding. It has good guns too from what I've noticed. I found it to be the opposite of my plane in everything but speed. The only thing I really had going for me was very high G tolerance if the opponent was to go full elevator. When facing Germans, that and the Arados are typically high profile enemies to face.

-He-162: I haven't seen very many of them, and what I have, usually are taken out swiftly. From what I can gather, it can make the MiG-9 look like a MiG-29.

[JASON BOURNE]

Originally posted by Preditorian:

163 is great when you do not use rudder as you will out turn basically every plane in the game with no rudder use plus the rocket motor.

The 229 also under 450 will out turn just about everything you see due to... gaijin logic? Its 30mm belts will wreak any plane they hit, and the HVAP will ruin a tankers day, yes it was nerfed, but it is still useful.

162, no, heck no, stay away from that thing at all cost, its slow, cant turn, guns are very hard to use and its fragile.

Originally posted by Leonov:

As a MiG-9 (base, not late) pilot who usually flew against in air RB:

-The Ho-229 is particularly annoying, it is still capable of high speed (though I don't think high G, though it has gotten help there), and has a turn rate that is very good for a jet. Unless something changed in the last few months, those engines would also soak up 23 and 37s like they were made from Unobtainium, at worst giving the Ho a slight oil leak. The Wings though, if the lucky shot did hit it, would shatter fro my understanding. It has good guns too from what I've noticed. I found it to be the opposite of my plane in everything but speed. The only thing I really had going for me was very high G tolerance if the opponent was to go full elevator. When facing Germans, that and the Arados are typically high profile enemies to face.

-He-162: I haven't seen very many of them, and what I have, usually are taken out swiftly. From what I can gather, it can make the MiG-9 look like a MiG-29.

Thanks, so far im 32k rp away from 229 and 40k from me 262 a1 u4, will go for the me 262 first as I wanna learn jet stuff and hunt some bombers (scared of such high br too) but so far 229 sounds great and me 163 too but I think me163 will be my last purchase after these 2 jets.

So he 162 out of the graph for hunting bombers right? If so wich plane should I use at 6.3 br to hunt bombers or maybe 5.3-5.7br?

Tough the he 162 was at least good on bomber hunting...

[Preditorian]

Dont use that 262 for hunting bombers, it is too slow and takes too long for you to get high enough to make an effective pass, also that cannon does not mean you will kill a bomber in one hit.

Instead, use it for ground pounding and tank killing in tank RB, you will get far more RP that way.

The 163 is far more effective at hunting bombers if you so wish to do so, but keep in mind the 7-8 min fuel load. It also is a more effective fighter with boom and zoom tactics, or the no rudder turn fighting I mentioned before.

Also, never forget the 162 is pure feral cat poo with diarrhea, and that is being nice.

[JASON BOURNE]

Originally posted by Preditorian:

Dont use that 262 for hunting bombers, it is too slow and takes too long for you to get high enough to make an effective pass, also that cannon does not mean you will kill a bomber in one hit.

Instead, use it for ground pounding and tank killing in tank RB, you will get far more RP that way.

The 163 is far more effective at hunting bombers if you so wish to do so, but keep in mind the 7-8 min fuel load. It also is a more effective fighter with boom and zoom tactics, or the no rudder turn fighting I mentioned before.

Also, never forget the 162 is pure feral cat poo with diarrhea, and that is being nice.

The problem is If I play tank rb its for playing tanks not planes and the me262 is mostly because 6.3 and 6.7 the amount of bombers is WAY higuer than 7.3 or 8.0, is like if you play 5.3 br you will have less il-2s and less player driven bombers than on 4.3 br on top of the higuer the br the more I see these annoying bombers going miles away from the battlefield and I need something fast to just dive and catch them instead of waiting for someone to rekt it .

Also seen a video about optimal climb speed and was quite interesting, depending on the speed some planes climb better at x speed than others, lets say a bf 109 k-4 that one seems to climb very good at 300 350kmh ias while the me 262 seems to climb the best at 450-550kmh ias.

Me 163 to me doesnt seems like it will face bombers, like there is literally only 1 or 2 bombers at that br for each faction, probably will just get it for dogfighting and grinding some 8 or 9 br jet to just club everyone lol

Another thing, I really wanna kill bombers with me262 you know the whole wonder weapon stuff.

In general seriusly the 162 and 262 are only interesting to me because 6.3 and 6.7 br being the he 162 the one Im most interested in. Maybe I will never play that line of planes and just skip all those expensive planes (looking at you 30k ta 152) because I need to get the fw 190 and both ta 152 just to be able to get the he 162 but maybe the more advanced planes after 162 are more worth than grinding some 8-9 br jet on the me 163 line, not to mention the 162 seems to have the same sl multiplier as me 163 wich me 262 is ONLY 2.0.

[JASON BOURNE]

I was searching info about various planes climb rate and found two very interesting charts, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hgHbWlSjefFhCqOUeGpoKQntdQDPG32X7XQo9EqDF00/edit#gid=734186410 and https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LG6UAD2V1yJHZfZarN7QRkJqL5_rsTidoRzUp5eMLEM/edit#gid=232936069 .

Those charts say that ta154 climbs best at 230kmh wich I highly believe because from my own testing thats where I got best results so it seems to be right the charts.

On the charts says a me262 a1 u4 takes around 6:30 minutes to reach 6000 meters at 510kmh and the ta 154 takes around 6 minutes with WEP and without WEP 7:30 minutes at 230kmh to reach 6000 meters, this makes me believe the me262 is superior to the ta154 in the role I use the ta 154.

Then there is the he 162 wich takes almost the same time to reach 6000m than me262 going at 100% so if the temperature is low and you can increase the thottle to 104% it will climb faster than me262 wich makes me believe he 162 for using it on the same role I use the ta 154 is pretty damn good mostly because the high speeds and low br it has will put you more into matches with bombers.


Tough someone would actually say some REAL information but so far I just see a load of BS like "dont use it because it sucks" when in reality most prob dont even know the optimal speeds to climb among other things.


The chart clearly shows that he 162 will climb faster than me262 and is INDEED a better bomber hunter than me262 simply because the 20mm and lower climb time.

Oh and last but not least the times I said for me262 and he 162 are with full fuel tank.

[Preditorian]

Okay dude, if you dont want to hear anyones opinion, then why ask? I have been playing this game for years, and I have all but a handful of the planes in the game, and if my word and the word of others is not good enough for you cause of some chart, then by all means, get your 162, spade that plane and enjoy getting slapped around.

Please let us know how well you do, in chart format of course, because that is what matters...

Oh BTW, I love how your chart data is from 1.77 LOL. Calling other peoples comments BS over a 2 year old chart! This post is a perfect meme.

[Ichigo]

I think we all know the 162 is barely combat worthy, its 6.3 in RB for a reason and while its pretty fun to fly its not in any way competitive

Me-163 is the most intense fighter in tree to date with extrememe performance but no ammo or fuel, plus your literally flying a rocket with guns soo overall a fun but intense time

Ho 229 is a flying wing, soo very good turning ability and dogfighting but no yaw, its fast in a line plus they buffed the overload on it while nerfing the belts of HVAP only due to the amount of people who abused them in GFRB soo nowadays shes actually quite a solid performing plane

262 is the plane you should fly instead of the 162, each version is a solid performing plane with guns that will shred anything u touch in a round or 2 (bonus points if anyone else noticed the guns are actually easier to use than russian jets)