AMX M4 and Char 25t

[CSKA'Николаи]

AMX M4 and Char 25t

[The Wiggly Armed Man]

Simulating the French post-war economy.

[B.D.Godde]

Originally posted by 3xA'Николаи:

How are these tanks even 6.7 and why is their repair costs so high?

because that is how to "balance" vehicles
make them practically unplayable

[Scheneighnay]

because they're not American, Russian, or German

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Originally posted by theGoddes:

Originally posted by 3xA'Николаи:

How are these tanks even 6.7 and why is their repair costs so high?

because that is how to "balance" vehicles
make them practically unplayable

Yes this is how Gaijin balances, turn good vehicle into trash that nobody wants to use - balance problem solved.

[B.D.Godde]

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

because they're not American, Russian, or German

-also this

but when the french naval tree comes out, maybe we will see a rework of their other stuff
that kinda happened with the British naval tree (Rooikat and Vickers Mk 7 as well as APFSDS stock for all challengers. Even a new ATGM for the Striker)

[«DeepCoverAka187»]

it's a (bad) way to balance them, same for the Lorraine and AMX-50, they are very good tanks BUT you mostly die in 1 shot with them, and so losing them both will make it impossible to be positive in silver lions :D

[Sobolewski]

Autoloaders, good mobility, good AP performance, decent armor for their weight. Disadvantages? Solid shot only.

How Gaijin decides to balance them : "let's undertier them by 0.3, then raise their repair costs to insane levels."

End result : people getting 12-kill games with them all the time, making other players' experience miserable, and still they can't break even from their death costs.

[B.D.Godde]

Originally posted by Sobolewski:

Autoloaders, good mobility, good AP performance, decent armor for their weight. Disadvantages? Solid shot only.

How Gaijin decides to balance them : "let's undertier them by 0.3, then raise their repair costs to insane levels."

End result : people getting 12-kill games with them all the time, making other players' experience miserable, and still they can't break even from their death costs.

I just hope someone has bug-reported them at some point and they might change it in future

[CSKA'Николаи]

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

because they're not American, Russian, or German

I actually think this is very true, their counterparts at the same battle rating are cheaper and more effective, if they are more expensive, they are much much better. You would think Gaijin would try influence players to try lower end nations. This is not the case for this game.

[Sobolewski]

Originally posted by 3xA'Николаи:

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

because they're not American, Russian, or German

I actually think this is very true, their counterparts at the same battle rating are cheaper and more effective, if they are more expensive, they are much much better. You would think Gaijin would try influence players to try lower end nations. This is not the case for this game.

Sorry, you can argue the French tanks at this BR are expensive as all hell and I'll agree wholeheartedly, but to say they're less effective is plain wrong. They often have the single highest killing potential due to autoloaders, strong AP performance and good mobility. Allies or Axis, everybody hates getting the turncoat French on the other team because they can wreck a whole team in half a minute if they get a good position, which is not difficult when they have good mobility.

Killing them is not difficult if you are expecting them and on the defensive, but, well, I wouldn't recommend trying to use numbers to rush their defensive positions and chokepoint holds when they will have another shot ready in 5 seconds, for one example.

[CSKA'Николаи]

I never have problems facing AMX M4 or Char 25t with lets say Konigstiger H, they never seem to kill me from frontal. After using these two french vehicles, I now understand why. Lorraine 40t and others are among a different level, at least they can penetrate most stuff at the cost of armour.

[Sobolewski]

Originally posted by 3xA'Николаи:

I never have problems facing AMX M4 or Char 25t with lets say Konigstiger H, they never seem to kill me from frontal. After using these two french vehicles, I now understand why. Lorraine 40t and others are among a different level, at least they can penetrate most stuff at the cost of armour.

They're not made for direct confrontation. Also, taking on a King Tiger from the front is a chore for anything that cant rely on APHE or some strong APDS/HEAT-FS. Nevertheless both of the tanks you mention can go throught the turret reliably.

And they are far more mobile and can destroy teams on the flank. The AMX M4 even gets an UFP that can rival a Panther's, saving your ass from the occasional lazy shot.

[CSKA'Николаи]

Originally posted by Sobolewski:

They're not made for direct confrontation. Also, taking on a King Tiger from the front is a chore for anything that cant rely on APHE or some strong APDS/HEAT-FS. Nevertheless both of the tanks you mention can go throught the turret reliably.

And they are far more mobile and can destroy teams on the flank. The AMX M4 even gets an UFP that can rival a Panther's, saving your ass from the occasional lazy shot.

How many maps can you reliably flank? Not that many, the only option I really have for those tanks is to camp, but the good spots are usually in a place where I can only get a frontal against tanks like Konigstiger or T-29 is quite tough. For some reason, if I was to use IS-2, I have a much higher chance of hitting the weaker spot on the turret, AMX M4 all I get is 'hit'.

[Sobolewski]

Originally posted by 3xA'Николаи:

Originally posted by Sobolewski:

They're not made for direct confrontation. Also, taking on a King Tiger from the front is a chore for anything that cant rely on APHE or some strong APDS/HEAT-FS. Nevertheless both of the tanks you mention can go throught the turret reliably.

And they are far more mobile and can destroy teams on the flank. The AMX M4 even gets an UFP that can rival a Panther's, saving your ass from the occasional lazy shot.

How many maps can you reliably flank? Not that many, the only option I really have for those tanks is to camp, but the good spots are usually in a place where I can only get a frontal against tanks like Konigstiger or T-29 is quite tough. For some reason, if I was to use IS-2, I have a much higher chance of hitting the weaker spot on the turret, AMX M4 all I get is 'hit'.

Seems like L2P issue to me. Other nations don't have the magic APHEBC slope modifiers and nuclear HE fillers Russia does to hold their hands throught the whole learning process. Just keep at it. Also, the smaller the map, usually the easier it is to flank undetected; and the majority of the small maps in this game do have a variety of paths you can take to flank. People can make it work even in Advance to the Rhine, so I'm not convinced by this excuse.

[CSKA'Николаи]

Originally posted by Sobolewski:

Seems like L2P issue to me. Other nations don't have the magic APHEBC slope modifiers and nuclear HE fillers Russia does to hold their hands throught the whole learning process. Just keep at it. Also, the smaller the map, usually the easier it is to flank undetected; and the majority of the small maps in this game do have a variety of paths you can take to flank. People can make it work even in Advance to the Rhine, so I'm not convinced by this excuse.

So you say on Advance to the Rhine, I can flank on the long right side road (bottom spawn view) or even the middle park and still manage to get a kill? I am actually 100x better off using Panther D at 7.7 than using an AMX M4.

Let me add that using ARL-44 is fine as long as it does not hit 6.7. I can do quite alright in that tank.

You must be either delusional or an arcade player. Your the type of person who I would think says that Germany is overpowered and needs to be buffed even despite yankee using HEAT shells at 6.7.