So why is Israeli M-51 STILL at 6.0??

[SONZ-INA]

400mm HEAT is enough to put it at 6.7.
Not to mention the later AML has 320mm HEATFS at 6.7, with gradually worse handling and gun stabilization.

I've played it for weeks now and it's so op it's ridiculous.
I won't get into the russian PUMA rn since it's new lmao

[magazine2]

BR is based on vehicle efficiency, sure the round is good (but I would say that the round is not good). The vehicle lacks armour, speed and has no other rounds.

[Febreze the cheese 🧀]

Originally posted by magazine2:

BR is based on vehicle efficiency, sure the round is good (but I would say that the round is not good). The vehicle lacks armour, speed and has no other rounds.

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[Wandering Flare]

It's so OP to the point it's slow as ♥♥♥♥, thin as ♥♥♥♥ and the shell is inconsistent as ♥♥♥♥, and it has the lack of stabilizer to add to it.

Should be 11.0, no less.

[Kay]

Because it isn't OP in the slightest?

I remember it being incredibly painful to play because the gun takes an age to settle, the mobility was poor at best, the armour was just enough to get you killed more often than not having it, and the reload was long enough for crew to swap positions so killing the enemy gunner often resulted in them being able to fire before the reload had been finished

[Shyue Chou]

The AML-90 when moving at speed at long range is very hard to hit.

[mamitotales]

hey it is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ but it has 400mm's of pen with a round that cant go through bushes
abrams uses heat rounds aswell m51 should be 11.0 even though its shell deals less damage than a 2 pdr round

[SONZ-INA]

I really don't undestand your guys's comments tho?
Vickers mk3. only has heat and 400mm penetration yet it's around 8.3 if i remember correctly.
It doesn't have armor at all, mobility is decent i guess and any other round it can use is discarding sabot with ~230mm of penetration if i remember correctly which at that BR is ridiculous.
Sure it reloads a bit faster but eh.

And going by that logic, why is the Ratel 90 at 6.0 as well? It has 320mm Heat, and it's a light tank so it's kinda fast, however you can kill it with 7.62mm....
And the AML thing still stands.

I've been playing War Thunder for a long time and i really don't find M-51 suitable for 6.0.
It HAS armor, if you angle it correctly, you can get decent enough chance to ricochet a shot.
I HAS decent mobility, as much as any other medium tank. the only thing slightly not going for it is the reload time (~9.5s without upgrades to the crew), but it's still nothing TOO drastic.

So any more reasons on why it's still at 6.0? It needs to go to at least 6.3 if not 6.7 IMO at least.

BTW i really don't understand the sarcastic comments made here.
This is a genuine question, if you're having trouble playing the M-51 it's definitely your skill.
I've never had to be concerned when attacking an enemy tank because i literally don't need to worry about it simply because of the penetration. Aiming for the gunner or the middle of the tank is simple.

[Mr. Jellybean]

Originally posted by SONZINA:

I really don't undestand your guys's comments tho?
Vickers mk3. only has heat and 400mm penetration yet it's around 8.3 if i remember correctly.
It doesn't have armor at all, mobility is decent i guess and any other round it can use is discarding sabot with ~230mm of penetration if i remember correctly which at that BR is ridiculous.
Sure it reloads a bit faster but eh.

And going by that logic, why is the Ratel 90 at 6.0 as well? It has 320mm Heat, and it's a light tank so it's kinda fast, however you can kill it with 7.62mm....
And the AML thing still stands.

I've been playing War Thunder for a long time and i really don't find M-51 suitable for 6.0.
It HAS armor, if you angle it correctly, you can get decent enough chance to ricochet a shot.
I HAS decent mobility, as much as any other medium tank. the only thing slightly not going for it is the reload time (~9.5s without upgrades to the crew), but it's still nothing TOO drastic.

So any more reasons on why it's still at 6.0?

You don't understand because you're not taking the time to thinking about what people are saying. A tanks effectiveness isn't based solely on how much they can penetrate. There are other factors.

And what exactly do you mean by OP? How many kills are you getting with the M-51?

[Canadian Guitar]

Originally posted by SONZINA:

I really don't undestand your guys's comments tho?
Vickers mk3. only has heat and 400mm penetration yet it's around 8.3 if i remember correctly.
It doesn't have armor at all, mobility is decent i guess and any other round it can use is discarding sabot with ~230mm of penetration if i remember correctly which at that BR is ridiculous.

Vickers Mk 3 only has heat, and one sentence later you admit it has other penetrating ammo options.

Also, 258 @100m, not 230

If you really think the M-51 is so OP, go play it.

Its fine where it is. The gun is good, unless you get any of the 1/3 of the maps in the game that is covered in bushes and twigs to detonate the HEAT. It barely reverses, and the only armor it really has is on the turret face. Its a Sherman with a big gun, thats it.

[SONZ-INA]

Originally posted by Mr. Jellybean:

You don't understand because you're not taking the time to thinking about what people are saying. A tanks effectiveness isn't based solely on how much they can penetrate. There are other factors.

And what exactly do you mean by OP? How many kills are you getting with the M-51?

I am taking the time to consider everything about the tank. Try to play other nations at 6.0. They don't have much to offer, britain very much included here, since they don't have TNT in their bullets.
The tank is literally just like any other medium tank.
-Decent Armor
If you angle correctly you can get a decent amount of ricochets.
-Decent Mobility
I mean i'm not getting outrunned by any other medium tank except maybe panthers?
-Survivability is literally like any other,
and the main thing going for it is the penetration and the lack of concern when attacking an enemy tank that is prepared for you and has it's gun pointed at your direction BECAUSE they have to aim, you however just have to shoot at the tank and it will go through everything, back to the engine bay.

As for the kills, i mostly have ~6 kills on average, usually even up to 8. However i think that's mostly because the 6.0 players don't have as much skill as 11.0

[SONZ-INA]

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

Originally posted by SONZINA:

I really don't undestand your guys's comments tho?
Vickers mk3. only has heat and 400mm penetration yet it's around 8.3 if i remember correctly.
It doesn't have armor at all, mobility is decent i guess and any other round it can use is discarding sabot with ~230mm of penetration if i remember correctly which at that BR is ridiculous.

Vickers Mk 3 only has heat, and one sentence later you admit it has other penetrating ammo options.

Also, 258 @100m, not 230

Right. 258mm on that BR is basically useless. You cant penetrate much, the HEATFS is your only option viable, and at that BR you can't even penetrate everywhere. especially because ERA.

[Canadian Guitar]

Originally posted by SONZINA:

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

Vickers Mk 3 only has heat, and one sentence later you admit it has other penetrating ammo options.

Also, 258 @100m, not 230

Right. 258mm on that BR is basically useless. You cant penetrate much, the HEATFS is your only option viable, and at that BR you can't even penetrate everywhere. especially because ERA.

I certainly have no issues with the APDS. I believe I only carry 3-5 heat in it.

[Wandering Flare]

If we base BR only on penetration, then many tanks should be moved higher, some even to 11.0 because they can penetrate tanks there too.

M-51s are easy prey for any tank at 6.0 and only work half the time because of how wonky HEAT post-pen is, even if they penetrate everything.

[SONZ-INA]

Alright then, i'll take it like i'm way better at using HEAT with loads of penetration than other ammo types, let it be at 6.0.
I've voiced my opinion and as you all don't agree on it, i guess i'm in the wrong.

[ErickaUnlimited]

Average mobility, no armor, heavy gun makes aiming on the move a pain and access to only HEAT is actually putting it at a disadvantage.

Sure, it can cut clean through anything it sees, but just using HEAT means you have to be wary of every map with obstacles and foliage, as well as making your shots are extremely accurate.

Penetration isn't everything when it comes to a vehicle at 6.0BR. That's why the AMX-13 sits 0.3 higher in BR because, for all intents and purposes, it is a superior vehicle to the M-51.

At 6.0, the M-51 is fine where it's at.