2S38 is disgustingly OP & P2W

[Tschoob]

I bet that in couple of weeks it will rise up in BR but it I know it won't be enough, it should be >11.0

[hsf_]

Originally posted by WeebLord69:

it will not have its br increased because the soviet winrate at 9.7 is absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

And Gaijin are wrong for doing it like that with premium vehicles. Most people who buy the premium packs for Russia are generally newer players, rarely will you see an experienced player buying a Russian premium pack as they have likely already done that tech tree.

There isn't that much of a difference between the vehicles at 9.7 Russia and the vehicles at 10.7 Russia, only really limited to optics, shell and in the case of the T-80 reverse speed and of course the winrate... They have the same weakspots, the same reload speed and function more or less the same way, so the reason the winrate at 9.7 is so crap is because it's new players buying the TURMS-T and not knowing how to play the game... That's all.

[♠Gamer3106♠]

Originally posted by ๖ۣۜSIcario:

Originally posted by Fluffy Bucketless Pocket Dragon:

It amazes me how blatant it is who plays Russia. Because they have no intelligence at all when it comes to trying to defend their broken line ups.

well it's russian game, what do you expect from the bootlickers like them
they like to win unfairly and blame the others

If they were really towards russian bias why are the German tanks the one that are getting undertiered?

[HOBO ACTUAL]

Originally posted by Fluffy Bucketless Pocket Dragon:

It amazes me how blatant it is who plays Russia. Because they have no intelligence at all when it comes to trying to defend their broken line ups.

They present more intelligence than you do furry. The 2S38 is literally a light vehicle. You can kill it in one shot to the hull. The crew is even all sitting together for you. It takes multiple shots of the 20 rounds to even begin to work it’s way through the armour of well armoured forward facing vehicles. If you can’t kill a light vehicle in the time it takes him to get like 5 shots off. You’re absolutely garbage at the game. If he’s shooting you in the side you deserve to die anyway cause it doesn’t matter what vehicle it is if you get hit in the side you’re more than likely dead any way. You literally are in a full on tank that can one shot most tanks and has enough armour to bounce rounds. And you’re complaining about a vehicle that takes multiple shots to kill something and has
literally barely any armour. Sure every now and then it bounces a round or two but do you know how many bs hits I’ve gotten on Abrams or other tanks that should have gone through… tons. The fact that you sit here crying that a light tank is the Bain of your existence is laughable and clearly shows your lack of skill in game. I’ve killed tons of these things and not once have I had an issue they’re literally free kills. Meanwhile you have the puma, begleitpanzer and strf9040c and these things have slightly less pen but overall function the same way. Hell one’s even got an atgm. Yet people can deal with these? Come on get ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ real. Just shoot it or stop being bad. You say Russian mains are dumb but you’re the ones sitting in the forums crying over your lack of skill to kill a light tank and seeking sympathy from others.

[♠Gamer3106♠]

Originally posted by HOBO ACTUAL:

Originally posted by Fluffy Bucketless Pocket Dragon:

It amazes me how blatant it is who plays Russia. Because they have no intelligence at all when it comes to trying to defend their broken line ups.

They present more intelligence than you do furry. The 2S38 is literally a light vehicle. You can kill it in one shot to the hull. The crew is even all sitting together for you. It takes multiple shots of the 20 rounds to even begin to work it’s way through the armour of well armoured forward facing vehicles. If you can’t kill a light vehicle in the time it takes him to get like 5 shots off. You’re absolutely garbage at the game. If he’s shooting you in the side you deserve to die anyway cause it doesn’t matter what vehicle it is if you get hit in the side you’re more than likely dead any way. You literally are in a full on tank that can one shot most tanks and has enough armour to bounce rounds. And you’re complaining about a vehicle that takes multiple shots to kill something and has
literally barely any armour. Sure every now and then it bounces a round or two but do you know how many bs hits I’ve gotten on Abrams or other tanks that should have gone through… tons. The fact that you sit here crying that a light tank is the Bain of your existence is laughable and clearly shows your lack of skill in game. I’ve killed tons of these things and not once have I had an issue they’re literally free kills. Meanwhile you have the puma, begleitpanzer and strf9040c and these things have slightly less pen but overall function the same way. Hell one’s even got an atgm. Yet people can deal with these? Come on get ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ real. Just shoot it or stop being bad. You say Russian mains are dumb but you’re the ones sitting in the forums crying over your lack of skill to kill a light tank and seeking sympathy from others.

Agree, totally. Also very based

[hsf_]

Originally posted by HOBO ACTUAL:

Originally posted by Fluffy Bucketless Pocket Dragon:

It amazes me how blatant it is who plays Russia. Because they have no intelligence at all when it comes to trying to defend their broken line ups.

They present more intelligence than you do furry. The 2S38 is literally a light vehicle. You can kill it in one shot to the hull. The crew is even all sitting together for you. It takes multiple shots of the 20 rounds to even begin to work it’s way through the armour of well armoured forward facing vehicles. If you can’t kill a light vehicle in the time it takes him to get like 5 shots off. You’re absolutely garbage at the game. If he’s shooting you in the side you deserve to die anyway cause it doesn’t matter what vehicle it is if you get hit in the side you’re more than likely dead any way. You literally are in a full on tank that can one shot most tanks and has enough armour to bounce rounds. And you’re complaining about a vehicle that takes multiple shots to kill something and has
literally barely any armour. Sure every now and then it bounces a round or two but do you know how many bs hits I’ve gotten on Abrams or other tanks that should have gone through… tons. The fact that you sit here crying that a light tank is the Bain of your existence is laughable and clearly shows your lack of skill in game. I’ve killed tons of these things and not once have I had an issue they’re literally free kills. Meanwhile you have the puma, begleitpanzer and strf9040c and these things have slightly less pen but overall function the same way. Hell one’s even got an atgm. Yet people can deal with these? Come on get ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ real. Just shoot it or stop being bad. You say Russian mains are dumb but you’re the ones sitting in the forums crying over your lack of skill to kill a light tank and seeking sympathy from others.

Just saying, the 2S38 was used A LOT at top tier in Squadron Battles by the higher ranking squads and it was shredding everything.

[WeebLord69]

Originally posted by HOBO ACTUAL:

Originally posted by Fluffy Bucketless Pocket Dragon:

It amazes me how blatant it is who plays Russia. Because they have no intelligence at all when it comes to trying to defend their broken line ups.

They present more intelligence than you do furry. The 2S38 is literally a light vehicle. You can kill it in one shot to the hull. The crew is even all sitting together for you. It takes multiple shots of the 20 rounds to even begin to work it’s way through the armour of well armoured forward facing vehicles. If you can’t kill a light vehicle in the time it takes him to get like 5 shots off. You’re absolutely garbage at the game. If he’s shooting you in the side you deserve to die anyway cause it doesn’t matter what vehicle it is if you get hit in the side you’re more than likely dead any way. You literally are in a full on tank that can one shot most tanks and has enough armour to bounce rounds. And you’re complaining about a vehicle that takes multiple shots to kill something and has
literally barely any armour. Sure every now and then it bounces a round or two but do you know how many bs hits I’ve gotten on Abrams or other tanks that should have gone through… tons. The fact that you sit here crying that a light tank is the Bain of your existence is laughable and clearly shows your lack of skill in game. I’ve killed tons of these things and not once have I had an issue they’re literally free kills. Meanwhile you have the puma, begleitpanzer and strf9040c and these things have slightly less pen but overall function the same way. Hell one’s even got an atgm. Yet people can deal with these? Come on get ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ real. Just shoot it or stop being bad. You say Russian mains are dumb but you’re the ones sitting in the forums crying over your lack of skill to kill a light tank and seeking sympathy from others.

+1

[WeebLord69]

Originally posted by hsf_:

Originally posted by HOBO ACTUAL:

They present more intelligence than you do furry. The 2S38 is literally a light vehicle. You can kill it in one shot to the hull. The crew is even all sitting together for you. It takes multiple shots of the 20 rounds to even begin to work it’s way through the armour of well armoured forward facing vehicles. If you can’t kill a light vehicle in the time it takes him to get like 5 shots off. You’re absolutely garbage at the game. If he’s shooting you in the side you deserve to die anyway cause it doesn’t matter what vehicle it is if you get hit in the side you’re more than likely dead any way. You literally are in a full on tank that can one shot most tanks and has enough armour to bounce rounds. And you’re complaining about a vehicle that takes multiple shots to kill something and has
literally barely any armour. Sure every now and then it bounces a round or two but do you know how many bs hits I’ve gotten on Abrams or other tanks that should have gone through… tons. The fact that you sit here crying that a light tank is the Bain of your existence is laughable and clearly shows your lack of skill in game. I’ve killed tons of these things and not once have I had an issue they’re literally free kills. Meanwhile you have the puma, begleitpanzer and strf9040c and these things have slightly less pen but overall function the same way. Hell one’s even got an atgm. Yet people can deal with these? Come on get ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ real. Just shoot it or stop being bad. You say Russian mains are dumb but you’re the ones sitting in the forums crying over your lack of skill to kill a light tank and seeking sympathy from others.

Just saying, the 2S38 was used A LOT at top tier in Squadron Battles by the higher ranking squads and it was shredding everything.

maybe thats because its the first proper light armed tank they have while other nations have many?

[+rep Vollidiot]

Originally posted by WeebLord69:

Originally posted by hsf_:

Just saying, the 2S38 was used A LOT at top tier in Squadron Battles by the higher ranking squads and it was shredding everything.

maybe thats because its the first proper light armed tank they have while other nations have many?

are you kidding ?

Also at all the defenders of the 2s38 you do know that they modelled everything so tiny compared to other 57mm guns..
Even the breach is smaller then on the puma and that should tell you smt when a GUN with double the size is smaller then one half the size :D

[WeebLord69]

Originally posted by +rep Vollidiot:

Originally posted by WeebLord69:

maybe thats because its the first proper light armed tank they have while other nations have many?

are you kidding ?

Also at all the defenders of the 2s38 you do know that they modelled everything so tiny compared to other 57mm guns..
Even the breach is smaller then on the puma and that should tell you smt when a GUN with double the size is smaller then one half the size :D

"bUT mUh gErmAn eNgiNeEriNg"

[WeebLord69]

Originally posted by S.o.E Papanowel:

Originally posted by Til_Dovre_Faller:

Spawn in the freaking 2s38 and kill everything that flies, spawn in su 27 whatever and kill anything that moves on the ground XDDDD

Su 27, you must be playing a secret dev branch :ujel:

Playing 9.7 with Russia is almost a loss game... if that vehicle was so op the win ratio would be way better.

agreed. winrate at 9.7 is absolutely garbage for russia.

[hsf_]

Originally posted by WeebLord69:

Originally posted by S.o.E Papanowel:

Su 27, you must be playing a secret dev branch :ujel:

Playing 9.7 with Russia is almost a loss game... if that vehicle was so op the win ratio would be way better.

agreed. winrate at 9.7 is absolutely garbage for russia.

Because of new players buying the Turms-T

Originally posted by WeebLord69:

Originally posted by hsf_:

Just saying, the 2S38 was used A LOT at top tier in Squadron Battles by the higher ranking squads and it was shredding everything.

maybe thats because its the first proper light armed tank they have while other nations have many?

The higher ranked squads, not the new squads with new players. The highly ranked squads.

[WeebLord69]

Originally posted by hsf_:

Originally posted by WeebLord69:

agreed. winrate at 9.7 is absolutely garbage for russia.

Because of new players buying the Turms-T

Originally posted by WeebLord69:

maybe thats because its the first proper light armed tank they have while other nations have many?

The higher ranked squads, not the new squads with new players. The highly ranked squads.

gaijin will balance with winrates thats why we have tiger at 5.3 or german m48 at 7.0 same br as m46 which is way worse. nothing we can do.

[Til_Dovre_Faller]

Originally posted by HOBO ACTUAL:

Originally posted by Fluffy Bucketless Pocket Dragon:

It amazes me how blatant it is who plays Russia. Because they have no intelligence at all when it comes to trying to defend their broken line ups.

They present more intelligence than you do furry. The 2S38 is literally a light vehicle. You can kill it in one shot to the hull. The crew is even all sitting together for you. It takes multiple shots of the 20 rounds to even begin to work it’s way through the armour of well armoured forward facing vehicles. If you can’t kill a light vehicle in the time it takes him to get like 5 shots off. You’re absolutely garbage at the game. If he’s shooting you in the side you deserve to die anyway cause it doesn’t matter what vehicle it is if you get hit in the side you’re more than likely dead any way. You literally are in a full on tank that can one shot most tanks and has enough armour to bounce rounds. And you’re complaining about a vehicle that takes multiple shots to kill something and has
literally barely any armour. Sure every now and then it bounces a round or two but do you know how many bs hits I’ve gotten on Abrams or other tanks that should have gone through… tons. The fact that you sit here crying that a light tank is the Bain of your existence is laughable and clearly shows your lack of skill in game. I’ve killed tons of these things and not once have I had an issue they’re literally free kills. Meanwhile you have the puma, begleitpanzer and strf9040c and these things have slightly less pen but overall function the same way. Hell one’s even got an atgm. Yet people can deal with these? Come on get ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ real. Just shoot it or stop being bad. You say Russian mains are dumb but you’re the ones sitting in the forums crying over your lack of skill to kill a light tank and seeking sympathy from others.

I got a direct heat with 480mm pen roght to the side, only lost one of those things wich hangs on the side

[+rep Vollidiot]

Originally posted by WeebLord69:

Originally posted by hsf_:

Because of new players buying the Turms-T





The higher ranked squads, not the new squads with new players. The highly ranked squads.

gaijin will balance with winrates thats why we have tiger at 5.3 or german m48 at 7.0 same br as m46 which is way worse. nothing we can do.

yeah or t72b3 on 10.7 cuz it's a bad tank /s same as bmp2m

winrates only matter for all non ru tanks gajoob has proven it more then enough times ;)

[Shadow Dracul]

They present more intelligence than you do furry. The 2S38 is literally a light vehicle. You can kill it in one shot to the hull. The crew is even all sitting together for you. It takes multiple shots of the 20 rounds to even begin to work it’s way through the armour of well armoured forward facing vehicles. If you can’t kill a light vehicle in the time it takes him to get like 5 shots off. You’re absolutely garbage at the game. If he’s shooting you in the side you deserve to die anyway cause it doesn’t matter what vehicle it is if you get hit in the side you’re more than likely dead any way. You literally are in a full on tank that can one shot most tanks and has enough armour to bounce rounds. And you’re complaining about a vehicle that takes multiple shots to kill something and has
literally barely any armour. Sure every now and then it bounces a round or two but do you know how many bs hits I’ve gotten on Abrams or other tanks that should have gone through… tons. The fact that you sit here crying that a light tank is the Bain of your existence is laughable and clearly shows your lack of skill in game. I’ve killed tons of these things and not once have I had an issue they’re literally free kills. Meanwhile you have the puma, begleitpanzer and strf9040c and these things have slightly less pen but overall function the same way. Hell one’s even got an atgm. Yet people can deal with these? Come on get ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ real. Just shoot it or stop being bad. You say Russian mains are dumb but you’re the ones sitting in the forums crying over your lack of skill to kill a light tank and seeking sympathy from others. [/quote]
I'm just going to make a point of saying I main multiple nations. America and Sweden being the main 2 and Germany being further away. Now when we look at the 2s38 and what it faces so mostly Abrams, Leopards and Challanger tanks we can note that they have a Upper Front plate that is at an angle designed to bounce rounds yes this is true. What is not modeled ingame is shell shattering of APFSDS meaning instead of a destroyed shell that has lost all it's energy and piercing capacity flying towards your turret ring you now have a shell with decent penetrating capacity aimed right at the turret ring and crew including the gun breech if it is facing you. Now the fun thing about this is from front on from say 1000M away the 2S38 presents both A a smaller silhouette and B if played Correctly a crewless turret. This means that you cannot kill the crew with your standard round and can only really take out the gun now then can you take out the ammo..... yes but at such a range you ability to hit said section the ammo resides in is reduced both by your sights and instincts. Now lets say you still have your main gun because for whatever reason this jackass has forgotten to target the one thing that can kill him from that range. is it possible to kill him. Yeah sure it's theoretically possible but remember with his 3'rd gen IR sights he is a lot more likely to see you first than you are to see him as if memory serves most 10.0's only have 1'st or 2'nd gen sights so major advantage 1 there. Major advantage 2 he can take advantage of your UFP to disable your turret ring and kill your crew as well. Major advantage 3 from 0M a .50 cal cannot penetrate him except in non critical areas from the front and if he is facing his side to you most areas are still not capable of being penetrated with the highest pen round your .50 cal will fire. Major advantage 4 Fire rate. See with a .5 sec fire rate even if he happened to duff half his shots he can follow it up with such speed that in the .5 seconds it takes for you to react turn identify and begin to shoot his second shot has already hit and if he isn't a moron that one will take out a critical component. Major advantage 5 AA capability, while it isn't an AA gun it can quite easily act as one and cause trouble for if not kill air targets this means it is not likely for a player to target it as the risk of getting killed in that head on is greater for the jet /heli than it is for the 2S38. Major advantage 6 scouting, if he even catches a glimpse of you he can place a scout marker on you and know where you will pop up from while you are blind unless also in a light tank. In conclusion all of his combines into a monster of a tank that is more likely than not to get the first shot off and even if it is not the case it is capable of retaliation shots in such volume that your gun will be dead before you can follow up if it wasn't killed in the first shot. Oh actually i forgot another thing the commander can also fire the main gun so unless that center mass shot you were talking about actually detonates the ammo you will only kill the gunner and engine from the front leaving him capable of a retaliation attack as you reload. and if you hit him from the side well it means he was ambushed. Quite simply put 9 times out of 10 in a straight fight you will lose against the 2S38 because of the advantages it has over you. You claim you can kill it in one shot to the hull but the data suggests that while it is a possibility the PROBABILITY of that is actually quite low. Simply put at the BR it has the advantages it has massively outweigh any disadvantages.