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why is it that we never get the entire changelog?
this here marked with read actually means that they did more changes,that they just chose no to list officially.
https://gyazo.com/a9e09ee72359143ee08b95c0648858af

this have been a practise for ever in war thunder and it has allways annoyed the hell out of me, we have to look to places like redit to see what stuff dataminers find etc.
i just dont get it,and its frankly just reached a point where i had to come here and vent,sorry guys,
what you think? you think its ok?
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AttackerCat 2019 年 1 月 15 日 下午 3:35 
The plain and simple answer is because there is a ton of mundane and irrelevant stuff that no one cares or needs to know about.

Do I need to know how the load order of camos was changed so it takes less time and memory to load them? Nope

Do I need to know what files were rearranged and how to knock 2 seconds off the time it takes to load into battle? Negative

Do I need to know what old and outdated files were updated to work with a new game engine update or were taken out? You better believe I don’t

So yeah, I’m fine with it. Sure there are some updates where armor thicknesses may change by 5mm for x part of y vehicle that I’m never going to play or notice, and I wish those were included, but I can always find those on Reddit with the “unofficial patch notes” thread.
NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div 2019 年 1 月 15 日 下午 4:22 
引用自 AttackerCat
The plain and simple answer is because there is a ton of mundane and irrelevant stuff that no one cares or needs to know about.
what? are you drunk? you know very well there have been some significant changes done,that they didnt tell us about, and to state that noone cares to read them is just plain wrong, and i find that kind of arrogant on your part.
引用自 AttackerCat
Do I need to know how the load order of camos was changed so it takes less time and memory to load them? Nope


Do I need to know what files were rearranged and how to knock 2 seconds off the time it takes to load into battle? Negative

Do I need to know what old and outdated files were updated to work with a new game engine update or were taken out? You better believe I don’t
no id proberbly scroll past that part to and get to the more intersting stuff like changes to maps and such
引用自 AttackerCat
So yeah, I’m fine with it. Sure there are some updates where armor thicknesses may change by 5mm for x part of y vehicle that I’m never going to play or notice, and I wish those were included, but I can always find those on Reddit with the “unofficial patch notes” thread.
id frankly just rather read them on Gaijinns official patch notes(i wish) than have to go elsewhere.
AttackerCat 2019 年 1 月 15 日 下午 9:44 
what? are you drunk? you know very well there have been some significant changes done,that they didnt tell us about, and to state that noone cares to read them is just plain wrong, and i find that kind of arrogant on your part.
Significant meaning? I would assume the changes to air critical or different sounds added?

As I said in my last paragraph, I can find that info on Reddit easily enough. I don’t have a problem with not every last single character change to a line of code not being in a patch note. I can’t imagine a single casual or even average player who would like to read through hundreds or thousands of changes lines of code on a single patch note. That’s not arrogant to say it’s just the way the world works. We’re not all game devs. There are a select few that have taken it upon themselves to do so and choose to cherrypick and share info with others, and that’s all we really need.
no id proberbly scroll past that part to and get to the more intersting stuff like changes to maps and such
Exactly my point above
id frankly just rather read them on Gaijinns official patch notes(i wish) than have to go elsewhere.
Ideally I’d like if things like minuscule armor changes or things like “moves this group of buildings from ‘here’ to ‘here’ were added too. Or the specific formula to figure out my RP and SL earnings when they changed from the previous system to the linear system, but we don’t live in an ideal world, and those patch notes could quite literally take days or weeks to type up, not to mention for larger overhauls like in game engine reworks and major patch notes.

Instead we have the Reddit and forum community to pick out anything deemed important broadcast it.
rodbarker007 2019 年 1 月 15 日 下午 9:56 
They should have everything listed that effects the handling or weapons on any vehicle, they ninja nerf-buff lots that they say nothing about.
Azi 2019 年 1 月 16 日 上午 12:33 
引用自 NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div
this here marked with read actually means that they did more changes,that they just chose no to list officially.
https://gyazo.com/a9e09ee72359143ee08b95c0648858af

this have been a practise for ever in war thunder and it has allways annoyed the hell out of me, we have to look to places like redit to see what stuff dataminers find etc.
i just dont get it,and its frankly just reached a point where i had to come here and vent,sorry guys,
what you think? you think its ok?
Thats why you could follow data-mining...
NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div 2019 年 1 月 16 日 上午 1:51 
引用自 rodbarker007
They should have everything listed that effects the handling or weapons on any vehicle, they ninja nerf-buff lots that they say nothing about.
yea they should.
NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div 2019 年 1 月 16 日 上午 1:52 
引用自 Azarias
引用自 NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div
this here marked with read actually means that they did more changes,that they just chose no to list officially.
https://gyazo.com/a9e09ee72359143ee08b95c0648858af

this have been a practise for ever in war thunder and it has allways annoyed the hell out of me, we have to look to places like redit to see what stuff dataminers find etc.
i just dont get it,and its frankly just reached a point where i had to come here and vent,sorry guys,
what you think? you think its ok?
Thats why you could follow data-mining...
i would rather just be able to read it in the official patchnotes from gaijinn.
RedSector73 2019 年 1 月 16 日 上午 3:04 
i would rather just be able to read it in the official patchnotes from gaijinn.

learn russian, sure the original contain more detail that dont translate well or at all. but it seems ok what they post in english atm to me and I see your point but even other games don't tell all.
最后由 RedSector73 编辑于; 2019 年 1 月 16 日 上午 3:05
NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div 2019 年 1 月 16 日 上午 3:04 
引用自 AttackerCat
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dude seriously? so because YOU wouldnt want to read them,you assume noone would??
dude thats the arrogant part.
NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div 2019 年 1 月 16 日 上午 3:08 
引用自 RedSector73
i would rather just be able to read it in the official patchnotes from gaijinn.

learn russian, sure the original contain more detail that dont translate well or at all.
ill try looking for patch notes in russian next time, but i doubt they have everything included there, but ill look.
you know it isnt hard or even very timeconsuming to add small things, like,"reduced size of map X" or "reduced post pen spread on shell X".
RedSector73 2019 年 1 月 16 日 上午 3:10 
Yeah I hear you, but just saying not even civ or any other game have transparent notes in regards to changes. might be a bridge to far.
最后由 RedSector73 编辑于; 2019 年 1 月 16 日 上午 3:10
NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div 2019 年 1 月 16 日 上午 3:18 
引用自 RedSector73
Yeah I hear you, but just saying not even civ or any other game have transparent notes in regards to changes. might be a bridge to far.
yea absolutly a bridge too far, you know its only in war thunder i have noticed it enough to start getting annoyed by it, i find a lot of other games way more including in their paatch notes than gaijin. i can only assume its because they know some changes are gonna bring them a "storm of reactions" that they just dont want to have to deal with.
but really, they should just man up and stand by what they do.
最后由 NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div 编辑于; 2019 年 1 月 16 日 上午 3:20
Narf 2019 年 1 月 16 日 上午 3:20 
引用自 RedSector73
Yeah I hear you, but just saying not even civ or any other game have transparent notes in regards to changes. might be a bridge to far.
Go have a look at Paradox patch notes. They are complete, they are informative, they are structured in a way that people can easily find the important changes if they only care for those.

Gaijin's patch notes are horrible, not only do they not list everything, they don't even list all the important stuff. Having to rely on third party websites and dataminers posting their findings there is just downright unprofessional garbage. Sure, there are plenty other studios which are the same, but that doesn't make it any better.
NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div 2019 年 1 月 16 日 上午 3:21 
引用自 Narf
引用自 RedSector73
Yeah I hear you, but just saying not even civ or any other game have transparent notes in regards to changes. might be a bridge to far.
Go have a look at Paradox patch notes. They are complete, they are informative, they are structured in a way that people can easily find the important changes if they only care for those.

Gaijin's patch notes are horrible, not only do they not list everything, they don't even list all the important stuff. Having to rely on third party websites and dataminers posting their findings there is just downright unprofessional garbage. Sure, there are plenty other studios which are the same, but that doesn't make it any better.
exactly spot on.
AttackerCat 2019 年 1 月 16 日 上午 7:02 
dude seriously? so because YOU wouldnt want to read them,you assume noone would??
dude thats the arrogant part.
No, the majority of the playervase doesn’t read news or update changelogs in the first place. How many times have you loaded up the game to see people saying “oh there was an update?” Or “what is this T30?” Or “wow I have a naval tab now”?

For many casual and average players, changelogs are ignored. New updates are as well. Not that many take the time to actually read through the changelogs and fewer still have any urge to delve into the game’s files and find minuscule things that may have not been deemed worth a mention on the devblog/changelog.

I apologize if you think that’s an arrogant thing to say, but that’s the reality of many games and communities out there.
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