Now that they added the A-10 with all aspect missiles at a low BR

[Ihatetrainyards]

Is there any reason to not give the Yak-38 all aspects and raise it's BR? This thing right now is a useless flying brick that relies on enemies not seeing you which isn't ideal considering the way spotting works in Air Realistic.

[Schublade]

Show us a picture of an Yak-38 with all aspect missiles first.

[Ihatetrainyards]

Originally posted by Schublade:

Show us a picture of an Yak-38 with all aspect missiles first.

Show us a picture of Me-262 fighting Sabres in Grozny

[Ihatetrainyards]

Originally posted by ''악마'':

Current Yak-38 with R-60s:
''This thing right now is a useless flying brick that relies on enemies not seeing you which isn't ideal considering the way spotting works in Air Realistic.''

Yak-38 with R-60Ms:
''This thing is a useless flying brick that relies on enemies not seeing you which isn't ideal considering the way spotting works in Air Realistic, not to mention that I can't catch anything because I keep facing F-4Es and late MiG models which keep flaring away my only 2 missiles!''

Try however much you'd like but the Yak-38 will continue being horrible, raising it's BR will only give you a bigger headache.

It'd still be considerably more useful if you could actually score head on kills with it.
Edit: besides you don't *have* to raise the BR if according to you it would still be horrible.

[Futuristic Hexagon]

According to this here it looks like they can carry 2x R-60Ms.

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/attack/yak38/yak38-1.gif

Seems some sources suggesting they can carry up to 4 R-60/60M as well.

This does make sense apparently as it seems the only major change needed to it is the Seeker head now being able to support all aspect.

If anything to really prevent the first Yak from being OP and getting bumped up would be to consider the first one to be an example as flown in the late 70s when the design entered service and the later one of course being one that can get it, as it is 9.7 anyways. It is sort of how we have the Soviet PFM as it was in the 60s, and the East German one (SPS-K) as it was at the time of german reunification, or thr A-10A early, and A-10A late (with 2 and 4 AIM-9Ls respectively.)

[Ģ◊иℤ◊⚡ℤ∀муpΛй]

Originally posted by Futuristic Hexagon:

According to this here it looks like they can carry 2x R-60Ms.

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/attack/yak38/yak38-1.gif

Seems some sources suggesting they can carry up to 4 R-60/60M as well.

This does make sense apparently as it seems the only major change needed to it is the Seeker head now being able to support all aspect.

If anything to really prevent the first Yak from being OP and getting bumped up would be to consider the first one to be an example as flown in the late 70s when the design entered service and the later one of course being one that can get it, as it is 9.7 anyways. It is sort of how we have the Soviet PFM as it was in the 60s, and the East German one (SPS-K) as it was at the time of german reunification, or thr A-10A early, and A-10A late (with 2 and 4 AIM-9Ls respectively.)

not even the MLD has r-60m why do you think they would give it to a yak..

[Futuristic Hexagon]

Originally posted by Ģ◊иŽФ⚡∀mηЯΛ¥:

Originally posted by Futuristic Hexagon:

According to this here it looks like they can carry 2x R-60Ms.

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/attack/yak38/yak38-1.gif

Seems some sources suggesting they can carry up to 4 R-60/60M as well.

This does make sense apparently as it seems the only major change needed to it is the Seeker head now being able to support all aspect.

If anything to really prevent the first Yak from being OP and getting bumped up would be to consider the first one to be an example as flown in the late 70s when the design entered service and the later one of course being one that can get it, as it is 9.7 anyways. It is sort of how we have the Soviet PFM as it was in the 60s, and the East German one (SPS-K) as it was at the time of german reunification, or thr A-10A early, and A-10A late (with 2 and 4 AIM-9Ls respectively.)

not even the MLD has r-60m why do you think they would give it to a yak..

Sometimes it takes them a while.

Gaijin has always been known for making excuses for why something isn't, and backtracking down the road. This will likely be no different.

[-reno-FR-]

Guys, you know it's a videogame, right?

Personnally, IRL i never saw any french Vautour without a gun & AA missiles.
And strangely, only the french one is nude of nude against air threat.

[Ihatetrainyards]

Originally posted by Schublade:

Show us a picture of an Yak-38 with all aspect missiles first.

Ok i humoured you and literally after 2 seconds of googling i came up with multiple sources saying it could carry either R-60 or R-60M such as this one;
"Вооружение самолета подвешивается на четырех подкрыльевых пилонах, способных нести:

управляемые ракеты Р-60, Р-60М или Х-23М (Х-25МР) с гондолой аппаратуры "Дельта-НГ2";

блоки типа УБ-32А, УБ-32М и УБ-16-57УМП с неуправляемыми ракетами типа С-5;

блоки Б8М-1 с неуправляемыми ракетами типа С-8;

неуправляемые авиационные реактивные снаряды С-24Б;"

and both the English and Russian wikipedia lists it being capable of carrying R-60M, I cannot provide picture evidence as the R-60 and R-60M have absolutely no visual differences and only have a different seeker

[Ihatetrainyards]

Originally posted by -reno-FR-:

Guys, you know it's a videogame, right?

Personnally, IRL i never saw any french Vautour without a gun & AA missiles.
And strangely, only the french one is nude of nude against air threat.

^
who cares about little details like this in a game where enemy targets light up on your screen from 30km away before your radar can even see them, you might have a point if we were to discuss the Simulator gamemodes but I'm betting the people who care about this stuff have never touched simulator in their lives.
edit: not to mention that every source i've seen so far suggests that the Yak-38 could infact carry R-60M missiles

[Futuristic Hexagon]

Originally posted by -reno-FR-:

Guys, you know it's a videogame, right?

Personnally, IRL i never saw any french Vautour without a gun & AA missiles.
And strangely, only the french one is nude of nude against air threat.

Yeah but in game they also adjust as needed and with how dedicated the manager is for that tree. The one for the Swedish tree for example took away tracers for the 30mm, so now with the J29D, J35a and JA37 you have to be pretty good at shooting blind.

That's actually another example on how willy nilly Gaijin actually is on removing or adding armament that did or didn't exist now that I think of it.

[hsf_]

Did the Yak-38 even make it out of the prototype stage? As far as I remember it killed a lot of test pilots, or am I thinking about a different Yak?

[55]

Originally posted by hsf_:

Did the Yak-38 even make it out of the prototype stage? As far as I remember it killed a lot of test pilots, or am I thinking about a different Yak?

yea?

Originally posted by Ihatetrainyards:

Is there any reason to not give the Yak-38 all aspects and raise it's BR? This thing right now is a useless flying brick that relies on enemies not seeing you which isn't ideal considering the way spotting works in Air Realistic.

and the r60 m isnt that much of a upgrade. pretty sure it has a shorter burn time and still is very easily flared

[hsf_]

Originally posted by 55 🏵:

Originally posted by hsf_:

Did the Yak-38 even make it out of the prototype stage? As far as I remember it killed a lot of test pilots, or am I thinking about a different Yak?

yea?

Originally posted by Ihatetrainyards:

Is there any reason to not give the Yak-38 all aspects and raise it's BR? This thing right now is a useless flying brick that relies on enemies not seeing you which isn't ideal considering the way spotting works in Air Realistic.

and the r60 m isnt that much of a upgrade. pretty sure it has a shorter burn time and still is very easily flared

Going from rear aspect to all aspect is a huge upgrade. The reason the A-10 has all aspect missiles is because without them the aircraft is useless in Air RB.

[𝒞𝒶𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁 Sinner]

Originally posted by hsf_:

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Going from rear aspect to all aspect is a huge upgrade. The reason the A-10 has all aspect missiles is because without them the aircraft is useless in Air RB.

I meaaaannn.. I guess yeah. They're pretty much the strongest part of the plane in air RB without having to rely on dumb head ons.

[Mjr.Death]

Originally posted by Ihatetrainyards:

Originally posted by Schublade:

Show us a picture of an Yak-38 with all aspect missiles first.

Show us a picture of Me-262 fighting Sabres in Grozny

Lol, or better, show us a picture of Sagittario 2 fighting super sonics. The damn thing could have a rocket or bomb payload too but gaijin removed alternate ammo belts as is.